Dyno test Bass / Engine

[Art K]

Tohatsu

You know this whole argument is stupid. The whole effect is your going to run off people like Bass, Scott, Selwach that want to build new engines. Surely in your wildest dreams do you believe that Merc and OMC are going to build new engines. It seems to me that certain people on this thread have a vendetta against the Tohatsu Bass engine and are determend to see it not raced. Instead of taking sides on this issue everyone should be encouraging these 3 manufactures and trying to work out the issues. I hate to see what happens when the blue motors come to market. One final item. What do you see for engines 5 years from now including Yamato?
Art K

[nbass]

Disappointed but still in there

Bass Machines has invested heavily in time and money for this project. I was very disappointed in the depth ruling. I will be very surprised if anyone runs out front with that rule. If the potential to run up front is not there, why buy. We have sold a few more D-stocks and currently plan to hang on to see how fair the parity committee really will be.

Last year there were about 25 or less APBA D-stock racers nation wide that ran more than one race. That is not a national class and is pathetic. We see the market potential at over 100 engines when you consider all the sanctioning bodies. And we can deliver! But, when will the market begin to accept the opportunity? So, we are in for now.

By the way, I have attached a more readable HP curve for your understanding. And I'll bet that there is well more than 3HP difference between those 25 D-stock motors that consistently race competitively.
Neil Bass

[ryan_4z]

You're just not hearing what I'm saying: It WILL NOT GO ANY FASTER. Guys like Brinkman, Austin and the rest tried for years to break Dewald's record and couldn't. Now it is gone, smashed by over 3mph by the Yamato.

If that is the case, then doesn't it just prove that these motors are incompatable.

But, again, all this means is that some tweaking needs to be done. What you are saying is very contradictory. On the one hand, you say that the Tohatsu and the Merc44 can never be tweaked so they'll work in the same class. On the other hand, you say that the Merc 25 guys just need to work a little harder so they can run with the 25 Yamatos.

I am also saying that the Merc and Yamato don't belong together, and should not be run in the same class. I would be willing to compromise on a class with the Merc and Hot Rod, but the Yamato does not belong there.

[ryan_4z]

That IS what you are saying.



You're just not hearing what I'm saying: It WILL NOT GO ANY FASTER. Guys like Brinkman, Austin and the rest tried for years to break Dewald's record and couldn't. Now it is gone, smashed by over 3mph by the Yamato.

I guess your right that is what I am saying.

"No Ed, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that those guys are putting more time, money and effort into their 25's than the Merc teams are. I believe that the Merc could be more competitive with a little more effort. You and J. Micheal Kelly proved that at Dayton this year."

But I still stand by this post. Worm, Ross, and Pater are dominant not because they run Yamatos, but because they are the best at what we do. The proof of this lies not in 25ssR, but in C stock. These guys don't just wax the feild in the new, young 25 class, beating up on Mercs, but they do it in single motor classes too. Over the last 6 years only 2 people(Worm 5 times and Ross 1 time) have won the nationals in CSR. And I believe that Dewey was 2nd almost every time Worm won. And we all know that Pater has the fastest sh*t around in everthing he runs, always has. Ask any CSH driver who is the fastest, and most of them will say Pater. Now that is a hell of a class to be the one fastest guy in. These guys win because they are the best, not because the mercs are at a disadvantage. You say the Merc will not go any faster, bull****. What if one of these fast Merc guys built a new boat? Using some new technology. Most of these 25xs drivers are still running the same kinds of boats that they were running in 1988 when Dewald set his record. Worm isn't even running the same boat he was 5 years ago. Ross's can tell you that boat technology is ever evolving. Ask them how much speed they have picked up just in boat in the last 3 years, you would be shocked. So no, I do not believe for one second that the Merc teams have put their all into beating the Yamatos. If only because of boat technology.

[14-H]

Point-Counter point

I give up!

[sponsonhead]

You CAN"T Quit now!

I give up!

Don't give up yet, Ed.....I was just getting the popcorn out!

R-19

[BentRod]

This is one thing about boat racing that I won't miss by retiring. It happens every year about one class or another. Find a fair solution and put it to a vote.

[Richard K.C. Mo.]

What he said

Don't give up yet, Ed.....I was just getting the popcorn out!

R-19

I agree, before you agee to disagree nothing is sokved.
Richard F

[14-H]

*** agree to disagree ***
Richard F

Oh, I'll never do that.

[Richard K.C. Mo.]

No offense

Ed, i know that's not allowed , but did you ever wonder how many laws are passed in an empty room?
Before C-span i mean.
I think you guys are doing great.
RichardKCMo

[csh2z]

If there were only 1 motor in each class, like the way Stock Outboard was intended and had always been this philosophical discussion would not be taking place. It does need to be resolved. I think it should be debated, although in a different forum. We'll have to work on that. I'd like to speak to Dan about a forum specifically for issues. John Runne 2-Z

[sam]

If there were only 1 motor in each class, like the way Stock Outboard was intended and had always been this philosophical discussion would not be taking place. It does need to be resolved. I think it should be debated, although in a different forum. We'll have to work on that. I'd like to speak to Dan about a forum specifically for issues. John Runne 2-Z

In the beginning there were about 8 legal motors in BU. It soon shook out that 2 were much faster than the others. This is the history of Stock, it was not intended from the beginning to be single engine per class.

Using the vBulletin software it is possible to set up non public forums to keep the general public from seeing our "dirty laundry". The problem is that it requires a bit of work and I'm not sure Dan has the time to set it up and vet everyone interested in participating. Or there could be a specific forum (still viewable by the public) just for such debates, but I don't know if Dan has the time to police where threads and posts are placed either.

[Richard K.C. Mo.]

Don't forget the Sunshine Law now

I don't know witch is better , closed door, sunshine, does it matter?
Someone 'll be *****ing.
Hey what about this , rules an' regs on boat size and shape ?

I know get real, but sometimes to regress is to advance.

I mean look at Nascar.
Richard F.

[Richard K.C. Mo.]

SOA history?

In the beginning there were about 8 legal motors in BU. It soon shook out that 2 were much faster than the others. This is the history of Stock, it was not intended from the beginning to be single engine per class.

Using the vBulletin software it is possible to set up non public forums to keep the general public from seeing our "dirty laundry". The problem is that it requires a bit of work and I'm not sure Dan has the time to set it up and vet everyone interested in participating. Or there could be a specific forum (still viewable by the public) just for such debates, but I don't know if Dan has the time to police where threads and posts are placed either.

Sam, i knew there were a couple of motors when stock racing was formed, didn't know there were that many.

Personaly i don't think most most give a rats' behind when stumbling on a website like this.

As was seen on google rec. boats , whatever.
Anyways' thats the news from the midwest.
RichardKCMo

[pro350hydro]

Wow!

You guys are harsh. I have read many good idea's, some rediculous ones, and some that don't even make sense because a few of you are totally contridicting yourselfs in different posts.

My hats off to Ed Hearn, Bass Brothers, Scotts, and the others with intelligent post for all trying to keep boat racing alive. Oh and the SORC.

If you guys keep arguing like this you will probably be so wrapped up in this internet war that you will miss next race season. Then who won? No one. Just go race, work it out over next season. I've seen slower motors beat faster motors due to props, drivers, setup, etc. Don't put all your eggs on some dyno sheet. Stick it in the water and prove it on the course. Life is to short to cry like this. Why not a restrictor plate? You can run a 102 or 302 that is faster against a 80 with a plate installed. Guys, don't make this more difficult than it needs to be.

We need new technology. Ever notice the advances in other motorsports? I think some of you need to open your eyes.

Go ahead and flame me if you got nothing better to do, but this is Just my 2 cents

p.s. Patrick, pass the popcorn.