Dyno test Bass / Engine

[hshawwpba]

Anyone Got Cheese For This Whine?

As I understand it the motor is 3 HP and 3 Lbs of torque more than the 44XS. I stated as I think several people did when this all started that the merc was rated at the prop shaft and the Tohatsu was rated at the Powerhead - common sense should have told someone that the motor would have more than the 44 out of the gate. I apprecate everyone;s words of support and that is what i was banking on. I believe that all this has done is create confusion in the class and has not resolved anything.

I have delivered 5 motors this year with three more on the slate right now for this winter we have three new drivers in Canada next year with Merc 44XS. These guys are going to feel great having spent the money to race with a non-competitive motor. People are you really trying to save a sport or do you just hate the Merc's that much. With all the 25 bashing and now the 44 by reading between the line being laid to rest. I am trying to justify to myself as to why I spend $200 a year to me a member of an organization that wants to give me the shaft and sends my blood pressure through the roof every time I read a change that is suppose to make us stronger but costs us 40 racers in the process so we have to start all over.

Now if we talk procedures here - I would have to object to the way this whole thing was handled - I did not see 50 bass motors produced as ready for sale in this deal hello!!!! I did not see even one for that matter. I see a customers motor going to the SORC for testing not a manufacturers motor. Why were the rules not upheld in this situation. The bottom line is the stipulations from SORC to BASS were not met so why was the motor approved. vote or not if rules were not followed then it should have been dead in the water as we all are now at least I know that is the general feeling.

Who is on the committee to slow this motor down I think that a DSH newsletter to every DSH member and/or all concerned parties should be involved from the word go. This should not be left up to powers to be we now see where that leads

Did you guys think of the money the APBA has into this 44 project as well as other parties involved it is not just me who is left holding the bag. Oh well!! hopefully they can sell 87 Bass motors to recoup that money in new membership next year.

brutal is all I can say...

Get real this is self serving BS and the APBA should never have spent 1 $ trying to redo the 44 engine. What is next will they in vest in the rebulding of KG9, KG 4 oh ya they are involved in the redo of the A foot also.
Let's move on and quite trying to redo old engine!

[cg43]

So "D" stock drivers could have a choice of buying older/used or remanufactured equipment, or newer equipment and you guys are arguing about this.


Why hunt for hard to find parts, when you could go and buy from and support a local dealer and not miss a race due to not being able to locate a part in time for next weekends race.

Nobody is saying sell your mercury and buy a tohatsu. If you mercury guys are so worried about this new motor, why not prove it on the water? It's time to accept some change. Change is going to happen in any motor sport and you have to keep up with the times.

If i had a mercury, it would just make me work harder to be competitive in the class. Nothing makes me work harder than getting beat. Maybe not everybody agrees with that, but that is just me.


Maybe you guys just have a bad case of the mercury blues?

You are excatly right. This is why we purchased the Tohatsu as we got tired of driving for miles and end of sitting on the bank As to the price we have probably spent that much in trying to keep motors running. We are glad that NBRA has adopted this motor and after running it the first time in Shelbyville we were considering going to other organizations to run. Guess not. As to it blowing the doors off.... Jeff Lake & Kevin McAfee put on one hell of a show no he did not blow his doors off but he was competive with him. And the best thing was that every time we pulled that rope that sucker started and ran the whole race. Change is necessary in every sport or it dies. You can not get a racer to join this sport then like us spend days months trying to get the **** motor to run and fing parts in time for the next race. After awhile they become frustrated and quit. No new people sport eventully dies.

[crankbearing]

Get real this is self serving BS and the APBA should never have spent 1 $ trying to redo the 44 engine. What is next will they in vest in the rebulding of KG9, KG 4 oh ya they are involved in the redo of the A foot also.
Let's move on and quite trying to redo old engine!

No Howard,

the APBA is not involved in the "a" gearcase and Yes the APBA WAS involved in remanufacturing the 44XS, 25XS mid housings, they paid for the tooling. Self serving or not, I had the full support of the SORC three years ago when we started and was told there would not be another motor in the class. I am not going to argue with you over this it just is not worth it you have your opinion and I am getting screwed I just lost 14K in motor sales over this self serving BS and three new drivers to the sport and they are not stepping up to buy the tohatsu, so how does this help the class as I stated before. The story will come out at the national meeting and in the d numbers to follow.

And as far as old engines what happens next year when parts for your "new" engine are not available will that still be a good investment. let's see 70 years of building outboard and 25 years of building outboards when the tohatsu is over the merc will still be around look at the 30 and 55H they still make them run 60 years later. Will you be saying that for your tohatsu investment - I highly doubt it.

Regards,

[DougMc]

This is one thing about boat racing that I won't miss by retiring. It happens every year about one class or another. Find a fair solution and put it to a vote.

Art,

Different subject, but what was the name of the lake in Bay County that is good to test but requires boat registration? Want to know because your 1 1/2 hour away and my boat is registered.

Doug.

[jeff55v]

An exhaust restrictor on a 3 cylinder 2 stroke? If it doesn't cause the motor to self destruct it is very likely to improve accelleration on the water

I think Neil Bass said he ran the O.E.M. tuning pipe under the prototype Tohatsu motor for a short test. Neil said it improved acceleration, BUT, was causing the motor to lean out and overheat at W.O.T.
Neil quickly removed the tuning pipe and the problem was solved.

Good call Sam.

[daveracerdsh]

D stock hydro

Some thoughts from a long time DSH racer and new stock commisioner. I was a part of the discussion on the new Tohatsu D stock motor. First off, this is in no way a slap in the face to Dave Scott, who is working on the new 44xs..... However, at the last nationals, in Dayton Ohio, it was hard to miss the fact that not only was Dave not present, but neither were any of his motors. Also, it was a huge letdown, at least for me, to find that there was only 11 D stock hydros registered. What happened? I keep hearing about all the 44xs motors sitting in peoples garages etc, but where are they? Folks...we can dance around the issue all we want, but essentially the class is dead, Mr Scott's efforts not withstanding. I know of a number of people that want to run the class....people that don't want to run CSH or something similar, and yet I have to tell them (or did) that you have to "look around" for a motor. I have a number of connections, and I find it hard to locate a motor. How is the class going to grow under those cir***stances? Also, I find it hard to stomach the fact that Mercury has raised prices on parts to the point where it would be cheaper for me in the long run to buy the Tohatsu....Last time I checked, a new 44xs crank from Mercury is around $1200 , pistons are $140, and so on down the line. I broke a crank in May, and if I had ordered all of the replacement parts from Mercury, including blown electronics , would have been out well over $2000. If memory serves me correct, I bought the motor for $2300....The replacement parts for the Tohatsu are well under that price, even at full retail. Just something to keep in mind. Also, the motor is availible now. All you have to do is call Bass machines and he will get one out to you. I have heard stories, whether true or not, that Dave is having problems getting the new 44xs to people. Also, is not a little motor competition in the class not a good thing? Isnt competition the American way? (even though its a Japanese motor) I think Ed did a wise thing by appointing a comittee to oversee the motor....If it turns out that the new motor is blowing people away at the races, I am pretty sure they will find a way to handicap it. Actually, I am going to be in the market for a backup D motor in the near future. I have honestly not decided if I am going to go with the Tohatsu or Dave Scotts new 44xs...Just some thoughts from the left coast....Dave

[crankbearing]

nats and motors

Hey Dave,

Great post. I have expalined why I was not at the nats in the other post about the motors. I refused to go to two separate events. I had other responsibilities that had to be looked after including the loss of a grandparent and Ron's passing was all very close to the national dates. The only motor I have not delivered is to Ken W in Michigan and really that is for the lack of us meeting at any races over the summer. I feel bad as I know if we were there there would have been 5 more boats on the water.

I explained where all my motors are and where they raced in the other post. I agree with you on Mercury's pricing I have been saying it for three years as I have watched the prices rise by 30-40% at retail. that is why I have tried so hard to get the Sierra pistons approved $400 for a set give or take.

As for the rest you have read my posts and no where I stand and how I feel. there is no need to repeat myself.

Regards,

[daveracerdsh]

Thanx Dave...We all want you to make a go of this thing..I was honestly hopeing you would be at nationals...I wanted to chat with you about buying a new 44xs etc... I just heard that there were a number of people that had ordered them and for whatever reason had not got them. I mostl likely have enough spare junk laying around to put together another 44xs, but the problem is, its junk. Are you at liberty to say who has purchased the new motor? Can we contact them and encourage them to come to the next few nationals? Dave

[mercguy]

sorry Dave......

Thanx Dave...We all want you to make a go of this thing..I was honestly hopeing you would be at nationals...I wanted to chat with you about buying a new 44xs etc... I just heard that there were a number of people that had ordered them and for whatever reason had not got them. I mostl likely have enough spare junk laying around to put together another 44xs, but the problem is, its junk. Are you at liberty to say who has purchased the new motor? Can we contact them and encourage them to come to the next few nationals? Dave

and I think I was the one that told you there would be plenty of DSH's at the Nat's. I felt bad when I seen there was not even a full field, when there are enough DSH's out there to have had elim's...........

[crankbearing]

Thanx Dave...We all want you to make a go of this thing..I was honestly hopeing you would be at nationals...I wanted to chat with you about buying a new 44xs etc... I just heard that there were a number of people that had ordered them and for whatever reason had not got them. I mostl likely have enough spare junk laying around to put together another 44xs, but the problem is, its junk. Are you at liberty to say who has purchased the new motor? Can we contact them and encourage them to come to the next few nationals? Dave

Hey Dave,

Here is my post from the other thread.

I have delivered 7 motors in total over the last year and half. 8 with Ken W in Michingan. I have to apologize for the delay with Ken's motor. We tried to hook up all summer and either I could not get to the race he was at or vice versa. I will get him his motor soon if I have to drive it to his door.

I Had orders for 5 motors for this winter and when all this started with the two motors in "d" 3 of the orders have been cancelled due to the new drivers being unsure of what they should do for the future, obviously understandable with the issues.

I have motors in WI, PA, CT, and Canada as well I have built all the current running "d's" in Canada over the last two years except for one. The motors have been run at all races in Canada and region 2. except just for plain being to busy is my only excuse for not being at the nationals which would have included 5 of my engines running there.

The motor in PA was delivered at Crystal Lake 2005 as well as the motor in CT. They have both tested since then and plan on starting at Franklin in the spring. We have also relocated one of the motors I built last year to a new D hydro racer for next year. That motor did not run last year at all due to health and the loss of my dear friend Ron Collins.

The motor in WI is being used on Steve Johnson's old bezoat and I have asked a couple mid-west drivers to work with this new driver and have not had an update of his progress but he was to test and be ready for the 2006 season. In the midst of this I have proceeded to work on gearcases, gears, driveshafts, throttle assemblies and brackets both for 44XS and 25XS.

At this point I do plan on attending the national meeting. I have several boats to build this winter as well as the fact I have been nominated for the position of CBF president so my duties will certainly increase if voted in and I do welcome that challenge.

Dave I cannot speak for all the CDN guy and the nats. I can say that I know 5-6 boats will be there if it is a combined event. The biggest complaint I hear is the driving distance. Hopefully they will try and make wakefield I cannot promise that. I can only tell you what I know. With myself and Bill Keegan we have 5 outfits. Brian Rossman would usually drive my second or Bill's third. I am also going to try and have a motor in the trailer for sale this year at the races I have tried to do this for two years but they never make it to the trailer for sale.

There are many motors in garages, I know of lots. there are a couple in florida, three or four up the east coast at least, three or four in WI, three or four in michigan and a few in canada. I am sure there are many more. I have generated enough to have 6-10 at most races here.

Regards,

[pops67g]

Be Fair

Again it is interesting to see the twists and turns these online discussions take. If a man says he has a reason for not attending the Nationals then so be it. I myself have to weigh the cost of four to six days of driving (round trip) and at least $800 worth of gas to go to a Stock Nationals (other than Wakefield). It hardly seems worth it if you run only one stock class where you might get a half hour on the water while you are there. No matter where you run it is a long, expensive trip for someone. I have a good running DSH, but I just can't go everywhere to run. It takes all winter to pay off the gasoline credit cards as it is.

[Flying Squirrel]

Did I hear that right? Another 20 lbs? Guess my rig is going for sale then. I already carry so much lead that it makes it hard to adjust my own weight with any effect. I can't put 75 lbs in my boat.

Anyone looking for 44XS motors a boat and some good props?

Eric Abel
3*CE

[14-H]

Did I hear that right? Another 20 lbs? ***3*CE

No you didn't hear right. It's 20 additional pounds for the Tohatsu only. Read my original post as to what the SORC did. The 20lbs and the 1" restriction are for the Tohatsu only, not the Merc. No changes were made to the Merc specs/rules in the D Classes.

[daveracerdsh]

Dsh

Yeah, its interesting how things get distorted over time and getting info 4th and 5th hand. I sure understand how expensive it is to run at nationals. Trust me, nationals are hard for west coast guys to attend due to the fact that they are usually in the midwest or east coast. Are the Canada guys planning on coming down to Winter nationals? I would personally love to meet all of them and see how the west coast guys etc compare speed wise. I get waxed by midwest bois all the time, so getting waxed by Canada racers will just be more fun for me. As far as people saying they are going to quit racing due to the fact a new motor is now availible strikes me as being a little hard to understand. The stock commision debated the Tohatsu issue for a long time, and they took everything into careful consideration. Is the new motor a perfect fit? No, of course not. But is there a perfect solution to the reduced numbers running in the class? Again, no. Like I said in my previous post, I am going to purchase another D motor sometime this year, and I am honestly divided as to whether I am going to pursue Dave Scotts D motor, the Tohatsu, or find a used motor. Granted, there are a number of used motors availible, but do the people that own them want to sell? Do new people coming into the sprort want to purchase a motor that is at least 15 years old and has who knows how many heats on it. If I was a new racer, I would stay away from anything used at this point. Also, I bet there are not that many complete motors left availible. I know for a fact that all the guys running DSH on the left coast have had at least 2 motors in their trailers....And, we have all blown up several of them...

[Flying Squirrel]

Thanks for the update. I had heard another 20 lbs through the grapevine. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Eric Abel
3*CE