Dyno test Bass / Engine

[mike ross]

Lets take a look at what we have. The D class has had the option of the Dave Scott version of the Merc. I think for about the last 2 years. The class can't even support 12 boats at the nationals. We use to put a class with less than 12 boats at the nations on probation and if it didn't get the numbers up it was gone. We are trying to get options available to keep the D class growing. With no motor companies building us race engines we are forced to produce our own engine. I think guys like Dave Scott & Neal & Sid Bass, Ron Selwalch(new hot rod manufacturer) control the future of our racing. We keep throwing stones at one another and make these guys blood pressure rise when we ought to give these guys medals. We have all knowledge on how to make a motor go faster or slower. Lets get a positve approach on how to make parity. Make people test it, dyno it and have this commitee make the changes so we have more participints in the class. Going forward if we can't get manufactures to make motors then combination motors in a class is going to be the norm. The commision and chairman was on the phone trying to decide what was best for this class for 3 hrs. Almost all other types of racing have different motors running together and make it work so we should be able to do it also. Aren't we the longest running racing organization? Come on guys lets start working together on a proactive positive result. Mike

[ryan_4z]

Now if we talk procedures here - I would have to object to the way this whole thing was handled - I did not see 50 bass motors produced as ready for sale in this deal hello!!!! I did not see even one for that matter. I see a customers motor going to the SORC for testing not a manufacturers motor. Why were the rules not upheld in this situation. The bottom line is the stipulations from SORC to BASS were not met so why was the motor approved. vote or not if rules were not followed then it should have been dead in the water as we all are now at least I know that is the general feeling...

This Commission threw away the rulebook a long time ago. They seem to have no problem completely ignoring our category rules in making their decisions. This commission has approved a motor that shows no evidence of helping this class in the least. First off, for the last year we have heard of nothing but delays in the production of the one motor that was tested. The Dyno testing was supposed to be done months ago, but the Bass brothers could not get a motor together. This to me is a sign of what the future will be like for this motor, it certainly does not look good right now. Secondly, once the Dyno testing was done, it was shown that the Bass motor was entirely incompatable with the existing D stock motor. Yet the commission still felt it best to leave this motor in the class. This is like a big kick in the crotch to every D driver out there. In a time when we seem to worry so much about alienating people, and pushing racers away, this move seems to do that like none other. And at the same time shows very little promise to help our sport.

As far as opening up this class, that would do nothing but create chaos. For one, now everytime someone shows up with a new motor, we have to get specs for it. God only knows how much cheating would be going on. Secondly, to expect parity between even two completely different motors, when the only similarity is cu. in., is ludicrous. That leaves out port timing, carbuerators, number of cylinders, etc. To expect motors to be compatible under that kind of system is complete nonsense. And it won't be done efficiently with these two D motors either. Look at 25ssR, or J, or AXS, there is no question in these classes what motor is more dominant. Achieving parity has failed every time it has been tried.

[sponsonhead]

Step up to the job

Ryan,

I read a lot of your posts here. Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don't.

Regardless, your passion cannot be denied. When are you going to run for the SORC from your region? You do seem to think you have a lot of the answers. Why not get yourself in a position to do something about it?

I ask this with all sincerity and respect. If you truly feel this way about it, why not run for Commissioner from your area and be on the front line to affect change?

R-19

[17W]

Well I've Seen Them...

I have seen the dyno sheets.

It passed on the 5th proposal....what a joke, keep making proposals till it passes.

To the racers who currently have this engine & are not destroying the current engine on the race course.....find a new engine builder!

[ryan_4z]

Ryan,

I read a lot of your posts here. Sometimes I agree with you, sometimes I don't.

Regardless, your passion cannot be denied. When are you going to run for the SORC from your region? You do seem to think you have a lot of the answers. Why not get yourself in a position to do something about it?

I ask this with all sincerity and respect. If you truly feel this way about it, why not run for Commissioner from your area and be on the front line to affect change?

R-19

Pat,

I have thought about this many times. There are a few reasons I am planning on waiting before running for the commission. One, I don't think I would get elected. Two, I would like to go to a National Meeting first and know how they run before taking on such a responsibility. My work does not allow me enough time off right now to do this. I will not take on that job without being fully prepared to do my best at it. Three, I believe my father is the better candidate, and as our region only gets one commissioner, it should be him. I also feel that I can still have great influence in getting out my message to the commission and the voter base through this website, and hopefully bring about change, without being on the commission. There is a need for people to watchdog the commission, and voice opinion to the commission. But trust me, I do plan on becoming a commissioner when the time is right.

[ANZANI-QUINCY FREAK]

Mike Ross, your right on the money completely!

Mike Ross, you said it all over again, Bravo!!! I do believe that Dave Scott and the Bass Brothers need to be awarded medals honor too for doing something that had to be done and had the balls to do it for those already abandoned and orphaned by the manufacturers and here they are doing something worth while where those that could, stopped. Yes, racing should support these guys and then some. My hat is off to these guys period. There are different times I can be contraversial and very passionate in my views with them and though it might bug them and rub them the wrong way a might, I respect them thoroughly for telling me what they think pro and con. I think we can look forward to Dave Scotts and the Bass brothers efforts going farther in the future.

[14-H]

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Ryan: I respond to your post regarding different engines with different displacement as follows: J, AXS and 25SSR.

I know that 25SSR still has some things to work out, but these classes definitively prove that you are just flat-out wrong in your contention that motors that have different characteristics cannot work in the same class.

Case-in-point: It was noted during the commission meeting that in AXS this year, the Merc won the championships but the OMCs set all of the records. I also think it is interesting that, at most of our races in the midwest this year, we had greater numbers of boats in the AXS classes than in A Stock.

This business of one class for one engine is just outdated.

Add: It was fine when it was just OMC and Mercury and they were both making racing engines for our category. Ed.

[ryan_4z]

This business of one class for one engine is just outdated.

That is where I think we differ most Ed. We have very different views on what this sport should look like 10 years from now. I have not been convinced as of yet that more than one motor in a class will be more successful than single engine classes. I think that the future of our sport still lies in single engine classes.

[ryan_4z]

I know that 25SSR still has some things to work out, but these classes definitively prove that you are just flat-out wrong in your contention that motors that have different characteristics cannot work in the same class.

I guess this is a matter of opinion. Watching 25ssR at Dayton this year only further convinced me that such different motors will not be compatible.

[14-H]

That is where I think we differ most Ed. We have very different views on what this sport should look like 10 years from now. I have not been convinced as of yet that more than one motor in a class will be more successful than single engine classes. I think that the future of our sport still lies in single engine classes.

Then, according to your theory, we should eliminate the Mercury and legalize only an engine that is currently manufactured. I just don't think that this will work and it is very naive.

[14-H]

I guess this is a matter of opinion. Watching 25ssR at Dayton this year only further convinced me that such different motors will not be compatible.

Well they would be compatible if we'd do a few things to the rules.

[David Weaver]

Future in 10 Years

Please tell me which producers will be in business in 10 years, so that I can buy their stock now!

Dependence on the engine manufacturers is a slippery slope for all our categories, SO, OPC, PRO, Inboard, etc. 10 years ago could anyone have imagined a PRO nationals without a Konig or Yamato 250 or 350 engine? 5 years ago, could you have imagined 125 not being dominated by homemade engines?

Our manufacturers will come and go, we need to keep the classes as fresh as possible. If we want to grow the sport, competitive engines must be always be available RIGHT NOW. For SO this will mean experimentation to keep the playing field basically level and the racing interesting. But you have smart people dedicated to the sport that can get that done. Give them ideas, not complaints. And it will never be perfect. Some classes will have one engine and some clases will have multiple-engines. Good luck!!

P.S. - If you want to escape all this "engine animosity" feel free to join the PRO category. No engine controversy (develop to your hearts content) and no arguments over radios this year. Shear Nirvana

[14-H]

It passed on the 5th proposal....what a joke, keep making proposals till it passes.

I actually thought that this meant that the SORC considered all proposals, discussed them fully and then voted them up or down. BTW: if nothing had been done, the engine would've been legal in 06 with zero restrictions.

Low RPM torque and power: that's what everyone thought would cause the 302 to wipe out the 102 and the Merc A to destroy the OMC. It just hasn't happened, though. Ed.

[ryan_4z]

Then, according to your theory, we should eliminate the Mercury and legalize only an engine that is currently manufactured. I just don't think that this will work and it is very naive.

No, I think that once the Hot Rod is being produced, that the Merc should be phased out. I have never supported just flat out eliminating a motor. There has to be a transition.

[ryan_4z]

Well they would be compatible if we'd do a few things to the rules.

And then Worm and Pater go do more testing while the Merc guys sit on there asses, and we have the same situation again next fall.