2010 SO Agenda

[14-H]

***Anyone watching the 25ssR finals at the Nationals last couple years will admit...the Merc 25xs (all 2 of them) are blowing away the Yamatos.
****

Yeah, my starting and driving had nothing to do with it.


ADD: Brian Rhodes did not even qualify for the finals in 2008! (sorry, Brains).

[csh2z]

The reason the transom height in CSH was lowered was because too many (mostly newer) members were cooking motors. It was my proposal and that was the primary porpose. We also new that a side effect would be a small assist for parity between the two motors. The ONLY reason most people have interpreted this rule as a safety rule, is because, that is the place in the rule book that height restrictions are found.
One change that has been overlooked by many is the effect of shortening the run from the start to the first turn in a nationals from 1500' to 1000'. That has also helped the 302.

[14-H]

[QUOTE=14J;148832]

*** Yet again why I favor one motor of choice.

Since I don’t race this class and I’ve beaten my point to death in (2) separate threads I’ll go away now. I promise!

It seems to me, that over time, the lack of parts for the Model 80 will make the 302 and the Sidewinder engines the ones that become the most prevalent in this class. This will probably take some time as it did in the J Classes for the Merc to replace the OMC and as it obviously will take in the D Classes.

In my opinion, the Sidewinder, once it gets going, should prevail as the engine of choice over the Yamato in this class. But that is just my opinion and I know others will disagree.

The Y-80 is going to be around a long time in this class, however, so long as I have any say in the matter.

[14-H]

Hey Ricky Bobby, Ed Hearn, SO Chairman, Exhaulted One,

Are you going to slow down that rocket Merc with a restrictor and give the Sidewinder and us poor, fat, Yamato guys a chance for a year or two?

Tim

I agree that the technical rules in 25SSR (or whatever it is called in 2010) will need to be changed to accomodate the Sidewinder. The Merc and the Yamato are already faster than the Hot Rod in this class. If you recall, I opposed pulling the restrictor plate in the Merc and favored, instead, more restrictions on the Yamato so that the Hot Rod would not be left behind.

The Sidewinder is never going to go as fast as the 20 CID Hot Rod so there are going to have to be changes made to this class. However, the 20 CID Sidewinder is still relatively unknown and unproven as to its performance so, in my opinion, changes made now would be like shooting in the dark. Once the Sidewinder 20S becomes an known entity, I do think the SORC will need to make parity changes.

The Mercs and Yamatos will still have a place to race in 25SSR, however, so long as I have any say in the matter.

[Big Don]

The reason the transom height in CSH was lowered was because too many (mostly newer) members were cooking motors. It was my proposal and that was the primary porpose. We also new that a side effect would be a small assist for parity between the two motors. The ONLY reason most people have interpreted this rule as a safety rule, is because, that is the place in the rule book that height restrictions are found.
One change that has been overlooked by many is the effect of shortening the run from the start to the first turn in a nationals from 1500' to 1000'. That has also helped the 302.

John, I may be wrong but it was not just because of where it's at in the rule book.

Did the class vote it in or did the SORC? And if it was the SORC, how did they get around the drivers not voting on it?

I just can't seem to remember how that went down. I'm getting old and my memeory could be failing me.

[Kev43V]

maybe this is a silly suggestion but...
since everyone has so much passion on these subjects. when you decide to post an inside joke on an open forum how about (joke) in the post. everyone that is not privy to the joke in the first place takes the post serious.
oh well I better go roast some coffee and get off here lol

[Kev43V]

hey we could always make a new class for the old hotrod 20. then let the SW20 run both 20 classes (joke)

[14-H]

John, I may be wrong but it was not just because of where it's at in the rule book.

Did the class vote it in or did the SORC? And if it was the SORC, how did they get around the drivers not voting on it?

I just can't seem to remember how that went down. I'm getting old and my memeory could be failing me.

Height restrictions are safety rules. While they might also be used for other purposes, they are primarily safety rules and should never go to a vote of the members because the APBA By Laws provide otherwise.

[Big Don]

So a loop hole to get the rule passed.

[14-H]

So a loop hole to get the rule passed.

Exactly! I learned that from your Dad!

[14-H]

Exactly! I learned that from your Dad!

By the way, how am I doing?

[Big Don]

Great!!!! KEEP IT UP!!!!

[csh2z]

Ed,
Could you allow time on the agenda for the steering committee report. Thanks

[14-H]

Ed,
Could you allow time on the agenda for the steering committee report. Thanks

John: I will not be appointing a Steering Committee this year. If you wish to address the SORC, of course we will make room for you.

[jpro60]

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The Y-80 is going to be around a long time in this class, however, so long as I have any say in the matter.

I could be wrong (and I'm sure people will let me know if I am) but I thought the plan of the previous commission was to eliminate the 102 from 20SSH, while leaving the 302 in there to keep numbers up until the Sidewinder took hold, and then eliminating the 302, and having the class be the Y80, and Sidewinder 20. That would still be 2 motors, which is more than enough. I suppose in the long run then that the Y80 would die a natural death.
So, what's wrong with that plan?
Can anybody explain to me why in the world we would want a class with FOUR motors in it?

-Mike