USTS Schedule

[Susan Rautenberg]

geez!!!

I wasnt aware that the sport of boat racing was doing so well that we would want to turn entries away and talk down upon other's classes.
All these categories are in an umbrella under the American Power Boat Association--its is a tragedy that two nationals dates are intertwined and the communication line failed. This is why we have commissions to not only govern their category but to work together- but things happen I get that however the turn of attitude here aside from the nationals date and the mud flinging-is it necessary?
Those in Pro who do not care for OSY or kpro (for that matter)-if you take those numbers away from your category-thats huge-they are the two biggest classes. Then you have the animosity with the Service group and some not liking them either-- you trying to be your own worst enemy?
Complain about OSY-it has stock specs and runs on gas and oil--well guess what-so does K-Pro. That was not Doc Collin's intentions I do not believe (and yes I still have my c-3 Collin's racing team shirt from when I ran Jpro witha merc 10xs).OSY formally known as Novice 350 was the entry level class at one time and has been around for quite awhile.Why throw stones at your peers? I could wish the same upon you .
As for choosing a Nationals-well that bites but so be it and if Ashley wasnt the National Champion in Kpro and seeing what has been conveyed here not only by others but by a few pro commissioners as well--I would go to Stock. But Im going to take my stock driver to the Pro's once again.(i would prefer to call her my driver or outboard racer who cares what classes -but if you want to put a title or category to the name-well so be it)
Mr. Peffley--if it wasnt for multiple category/class racers- theres a good chance you wouldn't have a class to race locally-- let alone we wouldnt be able to have races without those mulitple entries.
Bruce-thank you for taking the time and spending the money to go to Raleigh for those exciting meetings. I appreciate your sarcasm so Im sure you will with mine. I have participated nationally on another categories commisson for 6 years ,APBA BOD, race/regatta mgt/new class committee/j commitee blah blah blah-I have a family member on the Pro commission/ another who is coucil member at large- puts all their time working at the meetings and spends all their time on the barge at the Pro Nationals-- so if my brother or sister or any family member wants to show some emotion and passion on the topic so be it-we too have put in our time--nice to see others stepping up to the plate and putting in some of their volunteer time and money too-- see you in Raleigh

[Alicia_Peterson31R]

no kidding...

I wasnt aware that the sport of boat racing was doing so well that we would want to turn entries away and talk down upon other's classes.

i might be a newbie (which EVERYONE discredits because it seems we newbies haven't been around long enough to actually HAVE an opinion) but if it wasn't for newbies (at some point in time you all were newbies too) this sport would and will die. in an economy where every luxury sport or otherwise is being cut from american lives why on earth would we argue over who races what?

i have been around racing since i was 3 months old (as a spectator of course) and 2008 was my first year on the water. i loved it - but with the amount of ego and "misplaced" entitlement that i HAVE seen, maybe i'll spend my $1000+ dollars i spend on racing fees on some other sport instead.

[sam]

OSY is a PRO class because, it is, like the other PRO classes, a UIM recognized class (even if the US version is different from European). APBA Stock classes are not UIM classes. PRO assumes the burden of representing US OSY interests at the UIM meetings ... changing it to a APBA Stock class removes it from UIM and removes the US from hosting (and probably competing in some case) UIM OSY 400.

Taking OSY out of APBA PRO probably nullifies any future UIM records for OSY in the US, too. It would truly become CSH2.

[racnbns]

Stock-Mod-Pro

Comeon Folks, Lighten Up----IT'S a hobby!

Bruce

[bill van steenwyk]

to all who "can't handle the truth"

Since I have been accused of "using rethoric" in an earlier post that might possible have offended someone or hurt someone elses feelings, or maybe was not politically correct, let me state very clearly what my point was in my earlier post.

I stated that someones "leaders" let them down by scheduling the Stock Nationals on the same date the PRO Nationals were scheduled on in 2009.

That is a TRUE statement, whether anyone wants to recognize it or not. It was not meant (whatever ANYONE else thinks) to make ANYONE look bad. lt was a statement of fact then and will forever be, and to eliminate something like this from happening again, I would make the following suggestion, no matter that the PRO Nationals have been on this same time frame and schedule for 20 plus years.

Appoint two people, one from each of the concerned commissions, to be liason between the commissions regards National dates. No more "last weekend", I think, etc., etc.,. Have the dates marked out on a calendar so all the folks with dyslexia, old age, bad memory or eyesight, "bar memory", or
any or the other infirmaties that affect Commisioners of either Category, will not allow this to happen again.

No one likes to be criticized, much less when they spend their hard earned money and time to do the thankless jobs required of commissioners, by 10% of the membership that allow the other 90% to race and have a great time. But with all the things that this deal have shown can screw up, when folks, FOR WHATEVER REASON, are not paying as close attention to the most basic of planning that goes into National events, I believe it is in***bent on the folks that evidently wanted the jobs, to do what their constituents elected them to do, which is represent them the very best they can. Yes, Mr. Miserak misunderstood the dates and time frame, BUT, someone on the Stock Commission had to sign off on these dates. This is a perfect example of a very small detail that got overlooked, that has very great consequences.

That was the reason behind my "rethoric". I know, because I wrote it. Anyone else who puts any other spin on it, doesn't know ME very well, or what THEY are talking about.

One final observation: All members of the Stock group certainly owe Mr. Miserak (spelling?) a big thank you for his efforts. I am very aware, because of past efforts and experiences of my own, and close proximity to others, what he is and will go thru, until his Nationals is over with.

[Dave M]

Amen

Comeon Folks, Lighten Up----IT'S a hobby!

Bruce

Bruce, you said it. Choose a category and go play with it.

Now then, back to more important items. Any proposals to remove OSY from APBA PRO on the Agenda ?

You would think the President Elect was just told they miscounted the votes and he actually lost. But I guess it gets this way each year around meeting time. One thing is for sure, you can't deny that passion is a lacking trait from boat racers.

[Joe J]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe


[QUOTE=Dave M;122534]. Any proposals to remove OSY from APBA PRO on the Agenda ? UOTE]

[dwilderacer]

The S stands for stock.

And, by the way, the PRO catagory is NOT the only APBA rep for the UIM.

[Dancingbear1961]

OK I thought I was through!

The agenda for the 2009 Pro Commission Meeting in Raleigh:
http://www.portagebaysystems.com/proweb/new_page_1.htm

Bruce,
You can't stir up the pot with your original post, and then say lighten up! We are talking thousands of dollars and miles to come from the Left Coast to support our "Hobby"! (And baseball's just a game!) I'd just like to see some positive response to the problem at hand.

Dave,
Choose a category and go play with it? Are you just trying to stir things up again so we get more views on this thread, (LOL) or do you have a wallet big enough to cover the cross category entries every year! I know you are joking about removing OSY. And yes, some of us have been around racing even before we started eating solid food, and are very passionate about our sport.

Just an idea,
Since the spectators like to watch the kids, maybe move K Pro & OSY to Sunday and waive the Friday driver's meeting requirement (as long as they are preregistered) for entries coming from Grass Lake. It's a shorter schedule anyway and adds bonus racing for the majority of the fans. It still doesn't solve the problem with the other cross category drivers, but hey, at least it's a constructive thought!

[racnbns]

We're All In This Together-Dancingbear1961

The agenda for the 2009 Pro Commission Meeting in Raleigh:
http://www.portagebaysystems.com/proweb/new_page_1.htm

Bruce,
You can't stir up the pot with your original post, and then say lighten up! We are talking thousands of dollars and miles to come from the Left Coast to support our "Hobby"! (And baseball's just a game!) I'd just like to see some positive response to the problem at hand.

Dave,
Choose a category and go play with it? Are you just trying to stir things up again so we get more views on this thread, (LOL) or do you have a wallet big enough to cover the cross category entries every year! I know you are joking about removing OSY. And yes, some of us have been around racing even before we started eating solid food, and are very passionate about our sport.

Just an idea,
Since the spectators like to watch the kids, maybe move K Pro & OSY to Sunday and waive the Friday driver's meeting requirement (as long as they are preregistered) for entries coming from Grass Lake. It's a shorter schedule anyway and adds bonus racing for the majority of the fans. It still doesn't solve the problem with the other cross category drivers, but hey, at least it's a constructive thought!

We all want just one thing. That is to have aplace to put our boats in the water and go racing and make sure our kids and grand kids get the same chance.

Your idea about k-pro and osy can be talked over at the mtg. The chief Scorer[ my wife] is open to all sugestions. If at all possible she will work it out.

On the lighter side-- I have a lot of friends in stock and mod.[Rick, I'm out of Momma Bird's seasoning again], and do not want to offend any of them. At this time of year Cabin Fever sets in. We're getting ready for the annual mtg. as I mentioned earlier. Sometime at the Pro mtg. I will stand up and propose that all classes in the "ALKY OTBD" cat. should burn ALCOHOL. The response is glares and some laughter. Then Steve bangs down the gavel and says NEXT BUSINESS. Gee-not even a vote.

I remember racing against Bill and Billy in 2man runabout in the late 60's and early 70's. Is The K Pro driver Billy's Grandaughter?

See ya in the first turn,

Bruce

[dwilderacer]

Yes

Ashley is billy Jack III's daughter. I believe that that makes her a forth generation on the Rucker side and third generation on the Rautenberg side(might be wrong, maybe fourth). Lots of racing DNA in her and her brother.

[RuthieRae]

4th on both

Ashley is billy Jack III's daughter. I believe that that makes her a forth generation on the Rucker side and third generation on the Rautenberg side(might be wrong, maybe fourth). Lots of racing DNA in her and her brother.

Yep, they are both 4th generation on the Rucker side and the Rautenberg side. They are also the grandchildren of Howard and Penny Anderson.

[Bob Rusnak]

Alky

We all want just one thing. That is to have aplace to put our boats in the water and go racing and make sure our kids and grand kids get the same chance.

Your idea about k-pro and osy can be talked over at the mtg. The chief Scorer[ my wife] is open to all sugestions. If at all possible she will work it out.

On the lighter side-- I have a lot of friends in stock and mod.[Rick, I'm out of Momma Bird's seasoning again], and do not want to offend any of them. At this time of year Cabin Fever sets in. We're getting ready for the annual mtg. as I mentioned earlier. Sometime at the Pro mtg. I will stand up and propose that all classes in the "ALKY OTBD" cat. should burn ALCOHOL. The response is glares and some laughter. Then Steve bangs down the gavel and says NEXT BUSINESS. Gee-not even a vote.

I remember racing against Bill and Billy in 2man runabout in the late 60's and early 70's. Is The K Pro driver Billy's Grandaughter?

See ya in the first turn,

Bruce

Why would you want to propose Alcohol only for the Pro classes? Bad enough you can't get gas legal for stock and mod (all seem to contain alcohol). Why not propose any pump gas is legal for stock and mod. Leave the Pro's alone and any fuel should be legal to run. Many times a 750, 850 mod or a big Merc 6 with open pipes will enter the 1100 runabout and run gas which is legal. Again leave the Pro catagory alone, it works fine the way it is. Courious of what kind of responce I will get to this reply...........Just my oponion......Bob

[Dancingbear1961]

We all want just one thing. That is to have aplace to put our boats in the water and go racing and make sure our kids and grand kids get the same chance

I agree whole heartedly!

I will stand up and propose that all classes in the "ALKY OTBD" cat. should burn ALCOHOL. The response is glares and some laughter. Then Steve bangs down the gavel and says NEXT BUSINESS. Gee-not even a vote.

My biggest concern with this proposal is that if you put the alcohol restriction on the category, you would lose K Pro, and then what would the kids race? OSY being the largest class in Pro brings in a lot of revenue. If you expunge it from the category, it could disappear completey. I can't see the Stocks making a CSH2 class. Besides the revenue from OSY alone, there are a lot of OSY racers that run other Pro classes as well, or may run other Pro classes in the future. It's a very competitive class, and I think they put on a great show! I know, and respect a lot of racers and crews in both categories and think it's great that there is a common link between Stocks & Pro, that being OSY.

I posted a lot here, and maybe raised some hackle. I really wanted to raise awareness and ulimately, ideas and a solution to the schedule conflict. I see that the California Crew is aware of the problem that arose this year, and is taking steps to ensure there is minmal conflict for next year at Oroville! I hope the Nationals Race Directors, APBA members, plus the Stock and Pro Commissioners will come together at Raleigh and work something out regardless of whomever's fault it was.

Bring your ideas!

Thanks!

[Kev43V]

Dang can I get an injection of racin DNA? maybe then I could get better starts LOL. (joking here as I know they earn their successes due to hard work) I sure hope the schedules can be tweaked to let at least the Young racers make both events. The situation is unfortunate. Lets just make sure it does not happen again in the future. There have been good suggestions on how to make sure that is the case.

Bruce are you and the Mrs. going to make Rochelle again?