APBA Annual Meeting Agenda

[17W]

National Meeting?

I heard it was cancelled.................

[DougMc]

Ask Dan Marino or Barry Bonds how much their records mean to them as opposed to what they never were able to do...win the Super Bowl or World Series.


D.

Wasn't Barry Bonds the guy with the loaded bat? Also, possibly on steroids. His records don't mean much - kind'a like winning with an illegal motor.

[Sean Augustine]

Penalize who?

So with this system we would penalize drivers who do not have as many boats to race against. This would be one more nail in the coffin for smaller regions.

Joe

OK, so with the current system, the racers competing against only 4 other boats get 400 points - and the racers competing against 12 other boats get...400 points.

Who is really being penalized?

If you read the rest of my post, you see that I made a comment that it has to be a fundamental shift in the way we view points. If you only race against 4 other racers all year then that is your base for points.

[Sean Augustine]

In the coffin of smaller regions, and smaller local races.

People don't show up for races because of a variety of reasons - I haven't heard of drivers not showing up because they might not get enough points.

I have, however, heard of people showing up at an end of season race, filling the field with the minimum number of drivers, and scoring those 400 points (which then directly influenced the end of season point totals and awards). This is the quality of race you want?

[Joe J]

If your system were to be put into place, Stock racing west of the Mississippi would disappear from APBA.

Here we are attempting to build up our ranks, but who would want to get into a sport where they have NO CHANCE of winning a high point championship?

your idea has been discussed before, and has been thrown into the trash, right where it belong, ( IMHO ).

Also, consider what your plan would do to the ladies in Detroit?

You need to review the region map and realize that our regions are much more spread out than the regions in the east. We do not have the amount of drivers in ALL kneeler classes that there are in the east, is this our fault?

Joe Johnson C-139

OK, so with the current system, the racers competing against only 4 other boats get 400 points - and the racers competing against 12 other boats get...400 points.

Who is really being penalized?

If you read the rest of my post, you see that I made a comment that it has to be a fundamental shift in the way we view points. If you only race against 4 other racers all year then that is your base for points.

[Joe J]

What is the difference between this and people driving 1/2 way across the country in October to hopefully gain extra points towards HOC?

This is the system we have, and I have no problem w/ it.

Joe


I have, however, heard of people showing up at an end of season race, filling the field with the minimum number of drivers, and scoring those 400 points (which then directly influenced the end of season point totals and awards). This is the quality of race you want?[/QUOTE]

[Richard K.C. Mo.]

What is the difference between this and people driving 1/2 way across the country in October to hopefully gain extra points towards HOC?

This is the system we have, and I have no problem w/ it.

Joe


I have, however, heard of people showing up at an end of season race, filling the field with the minimum number of drivers, and scoring those 400 points (which then directly influenced the end of season point totals and awards). This is the quality of race you want?

[/QUOTE]
What better , to say I told Ya so

[Sean Augustine]

Status quo, eh?

If your system were to be put into place, Stock racing west of the Mississippi would disappear from APBA.

Here we are attempting to build up our ranks, but who would want to get into a sport where they have NO CHANCE of winning a high point championship?

your idea has been discussed before, and has been thrown into the trash, right where it belong, ( IMHO ).

Also, consider what your plan would do to the ladies in Detroit?

You need to review the region map and realize that our regions are much more spread out than the regions in the east. We do not have the amount of drivers in ALL kneeler classes that there are in the east, is this our fault?

Joe Johnson C-139

1. So, stock racing would disappear...please. All because of the way we score our races?

2. What are we doing to "build up our ranks"? Also, the majority of drivers are not getting into the sport with lofty dreams of winning a high point championship: they race because they want to race.

3. Throw it into the trash? Fine - you come up with a plan that rewards drivers who beat a larger field of boats. Otherwise, you are PENALIZING the drivers who have to beat a bigger field of boats.

4. The ladies in Detroit get a summary sheet of the position in which the drivers finish - the summary sheet could reflect their position in regards to points - very simple. Furthermore, don't underestimate the ladies in Detroit and their cognitive powers.

5. Don't give me a condescending attitude about reviewing maps, etc. I know the lay of the land when it comes to driver numbers in the east vs. the west, and the proximity of regions to one another. None of that changes the fact that when I show up at a race with only four boats - I can screw up and still walk away with 169 points: try that with a field of 12-15 boats.

[zolkar]

25xs restrictor

ED,
I'm in favor of removing the restrictor in 25xsh for safty reasons. We {4 boats}raced without it at Rochell this year. The boats handled alot better with the little extra horsepower to the prop. RPM was increased by 150 which also made it drive easier. I have also tested without it. Top speed was increased by one mph.Most people that run the class don't have the horsepower it takes to make the boat handle. Lowering the transom height will be worse yet with a so so motor. I have tried running lower. RPM comes down, boat handles bad. Joe Z 3-W

[Big Don]

Now that is what we need to see and hear some actual testing data and someone who races the class that has tried it. Thanks Joe

[AOFoffice]

Concerning the scoring:
About ten years ago this scoring proposal was made in AOF. (More boats, more points). It was experimental, so points were kept both ways. Out of 22 classes the difference in high points at the end of the year affected only one or two classes. This was taking data from ten clubs. However, the paperwork for me was brutal. We finally had to ask someone else to keep the experimental points.
I would suggest that anyone who is interested in seeing how the system would work, should form a committee. The committee would score the points in the new method for one year, and then report back with the comparisons at next years' national meeting.
One of the problems that I remember is that if a racer was going after high points, then they were willing to drive to get them, attending as many races as they could. In the new system, the high point chaser attended races only when they knew a large field would be racing. A lot of time the shot in the arm comes to a smaller club and class when the high point chasers show up just to get the points. This not only helps the high point contender, but he local club.
Connie

[csh12M]

Ed,

I am in favor of leaving the 25SSH resrictor in and placing a 1/2 height restriction in 25SSH class.

The Hot Rod took 2nd place at the nationals this year and should get support from the SORC in trying to bring engines into the market.

CSH12M

[Sean Augustine]

Thanks

Concerning the scoring:
About ten years ago this scoring proposal was made in AOF. (More boats, more points). It was experimental, so points were kept both ways. Out of 22 classes the difference in high points at the end of the year affected only one or two classes. This was taking data from ten clubs. However, the paperwork for me was brutal. We finally had to ask someone else to keep the experimental points.
I would suggest that anyone who is interested in seeing how the system would work, should form a committee. The committee would score the points in the new method for one year, and then report back with the comparisons at next years' national meeting.
One of the problems that I remember is that if a racer was going after high points, then they were willing to drive to get them, attending as many races as they could. In the new system, the high point chaser attended races only when they knew a large field would be racing. A lot of time the shot in the arm comes to a smaller club and class when the high point chasers show up just to get the points. This not only helps the high point contender, but he local club.
Connie

Thanks for the input Connie. Just like the testing comment earlier - it's good to see some real past experience with a similar system.

[18W]

How about having to complete both heats of a Nationals final after one heat has been completed.

[Joe J]

Sean:

I am not saying the system is perfect, but I do not beleive your idea is the way to go.

Joe