Dyno test Bass / Engine

[14-H]

Thanks for the update. I had heard another 20 lbs through the grapevine. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Eric Abel
3*CE

We'll take the offer to sell your good props, nevertheless.

[daveracerdsh]

Dsh

Its kinda interesting to sit back and read all the posts by people that dont run the class etc. Seems like most of the grumbling is coming from drivers that have no intention of running DSH or DSR in the future. Last time I checked, there were less then 40 registered drivers in the country. Not sure how many are registered in Canada. When I started racing DSH in 1985, the only motor around was the ancient 55H. When the 44xs was introduced, what was the reaction from racers? If memory serves me correct, they sold a ton of them over the next couple of years. Yah, the Mercury Challange series was a big draw, but was that the only thing that brought people into the class? I mean, I made a fair amount of money in the series, but I would venture a guess that I spent ten times my winnings to go to the races etc. Seems kinda funny, but people will spend thousands of dollars on a motor to go out and win $300.00 a race...makes no sense, but we all do it. As far as some people saying that the 44XS is a reliable motor....well...I would like to meet you and sell you some nice swampland in Florida. Last time I checked, the Walbrun carbs are total junk. I mean, they are so sensitive to float height that I put mine in a box and transprt them to the races on their side to keep the **** needles from sticking....How many D drivers can say they have not had problems with the carbs? If you say you have not, you are freaking full of it. The electronics are also garbage. I have seen brain boxes that are almost new fail, stator plates go bonkers mid heat, coils melt (literally), almost new lower unit gears fail, drive shafts shear in two, thumb screws break, saddle clamps break, (they are from an 18 horse motor, go figure) and so on down the line. Also when was the last time a DSH driver dumped and came in with his cowling intact? Dont make me laugh. Also...how many D drivers across the county have had the pleasure of blowing a rod thru the front case? Thats always fun. When is the last time any of you have seen a Yamato with a broken rod. I have been racing for 20 years and have never seen one fail. I am not complaining about the class...In my opinion, there is nothing in racing like it...the thrill of having a good running DSH in the front of the pack is hard to describe. (till Palmquist passes you) I guess i am just a little suprised at the animosity being generated by the new motor. I think that when people buy the thing and find that 99% of the time the thing will start the heat and not end the heat on a two rope. The only reason I am ranting and raving is that I am gonna go out on a limb and say that part of the reason for the decline in DSH is due to the fact that the motors are pretty cranky. Is there any reason to assume the Scott 44 xs motor is any different? Is he not using the same electonics, carbs, etc etc etc that we have all grown to love? I am gonna assume Dave is doing a pretty good job with the motor, but there are a lot of quality issues that are out of his hands. Folks, *****ing about the new motor is going to accomplish nothing in my humble opinion. Its good to see people have passions on both sides of the issue, but the bottom line is that the Tohatsu is legal for the 2006. Is this thing gonna cause a whole lot of *****ing and moaning for years to come? Of course it is...this is boat racing. People ***** about everything and anything associated with the sport. But in the long run, I think we are gonna find that the fact that new racers have an option to buy a brand new, reliable motor is only going to help matters. Also, don't people think its time that we put some of the promo fund up to promote both the Scott 44xs and the new Tohatsu? What is the money doing just sitting there. Lets use it to promote the sport.. Just a few more comments from the left coast.

[ryan_4z]

Its kinda interesting to sit back and read all the posts by people that dont run the class etc. Seems like most of the grumbling is coming from drivers that have no intention of running DSH or DSR in the future. Last time I checked, there were less then 40 registered drivers in the country. Not sure how many are registered in Canada. When I started racing DSH in 1985, the only motor around was the ancient 55H. When the 44xs was introduced, what was the reaction from racers? If memory serves me correct, they sold a ton of them over the next couple of years. Yah, the Mercury Challange series was a big draw, but was that the only thing that brought people into the class? I mean, I made a fair amount of money in the series, but I would venture a guess that I spent ten times my winnings to go to the races etc. Seems kinda funny, but people will spend thousands of dollars on a motor to go out and win $300.00 a race...makes no sense, but we all do it. As far as some people saying that the 44XS is a reliable motor....well...I would like to meet you and sell you some nice swampland in Florida. Last time I checked, the Walbrun carbs are total junk. I mean, they are so sensitive to float height that I put mine in a box and transprt them to the races on their side to keep the **** needles from sticking....How many D drivers can say they have not had problems with the carbs? If you say you have not, you are freaking full of it. The electronics are also garbage. I have seen brain boxes that are almost new fail, stator plates go bonkers mid heat, coils melt (literally), almost new lower unit gears fail, drive shafts shear in two, thumb screws break, saddle clamps break, (they are from an 18 horse motor, go figure) and so on down the line. Also when was the last time a DSH driver dumped and came in with his cowling intact? Dont make me laugh. Also...how many D drivers across the county have had the pleasure of blowing a rod thru the front case? Thats always fun. When is the last time any of you have seen a Yamato with a broken rod. I have been racing for 20 years and have never seen one fail. I am not complaining about the class...In my opinion, there is nothing in racing like it...the thrill of having a good running DSH in the front of the pack is hard to describe. (till Palmquist passes you) I guess i am just a little suprised at the animosity being generated by the new motor. I think that when people buy the thing and find that 99% of the time the thing will start the heat and not end the heat on a two rope. The only reason I am ranting and raving is that I am gonna go out on a limb and say that part of the reason for the decline in DSH is due to the fact that the motors are pretty cranky. Is there any reason to assume the Scott 44 xs motor is any different? Is he not using the same electonics, carbs, etc etc etc that we have all grown to love? I am gonna assume Dave is doing a pretty good job with the motor, but there are a lot of quality issues that are out of his hands. Folks, *****ing about the new motor is going to accomplish nothing in my humble opinion. Its good to see people have passions on both sides of the issue, but the bottom line is that the Tohatsu is legal for the 2006. Is this thing gonna cause a whole lot of *****ing and moaning for years to come? Of course it is...this is boat racing. People ***** about everything and anything associated with the sport. But in the long run, I think we are gonna find that the fact that new racers have an option to buy a brand new, reliable motor is only going to help matters. Also, don't people think its time that we put some of the promo fund up to promote both the Scott 44xs and the new Tohatsu? What is the money doing just sitting there. Lets use it to promote the sport.. Just a few more comments from the left coast.

That is the best argument I have heard for the Tohatsu motor yet.

[crankbearing]

reliability

Dave,

You are going places I do not like to talk about as they will end up jinxing me.. LOL. but I have to say that I do not agree with you in a lot of cases. Yes the carbs are a little sensitve and a bad design with the permanent seat. but I have to tell you, that I do my carbs once in the spring and never touch them again all year, I have three sets of carbs with different jets to swap the whole set. As for the mid section the redesigned mid is thicker and stronger everywhere. The new recoil housing that I cast are thicker and of different alloys, The machine shop applied 250 lbs of force across to of the legs and only bent it, it did not crack. The biggest problem with the recoil is when people put them on the tighten the left front bolt first and this causes stress on the other two legs due to the starter handle support being higher. Ignition, Rapair, rapair, rapair, I have yet to have a switchbox or coil fail - espescially melt, but I do carry a spare but you know what GM replace about 2 million coil pack / modules on there 3100 V-6 as well over the past 10 years.

Dave, we are racing, this stuff was built for fishing as was the tohatsu parts, not saying that they will not be reliable, but how can justify saying they will when there has only been one motor, on the other post there is a guy that race these motor in australia and he was telling of all the reliability problems they have over there and that one of the motors is currently no available to them any longer. Crank welding is a must as the crank will break. etc...

You cannot argue with longevity and the 44xs, 55H , 30H etc... have alway and will alway live on as they might not be 100% reliable but for the bad one's there are 100 good ones to replace them.

I still have to say the builder you choose to use is 75% of you reliability. If you shim your motor a .016 you wil eventually have a blow up on your hands etc....

If you take everything in the motor to highest yield point to try and be on the edge all the time you are looking for trouble. I build my motors the way I was taught 20 years ago and have building them since I was 13 years old. Keegans motors from Canada are prime examples the two motors I did three years ago, they get the gear oil changes every race and that is about it. They are on the back off the boats in the trailer on their dolly's and I have done nothing more to them since I built them three years ago.

As before, I am not disagreeing with you that something are a little unreliable, but you currently cannot make any comparison that the Tohatsu will be any different as there are plainly just not enough being raced or built yet for racing.

Regards,

[Don11m]

D Stock

There have been a lot of posts with reasons that D Stock is not growing but I think no one is talking about the main reason that the D numbers are so low. With most of the races running several racing divisions a driver wanting to go faster can run MOD. PRO or 45 ss and still race most weekends with thier Stock Outboard friends. If you count the number of Stock Outboard drivers racing in Mod, Pro and OPC and realize that 20 years ago thier only option was D stock this is part of the problem. Don Allen Sr.

[daveracerdsh]

More DSH drama

I am sure glad to see that you are making the 44xs replacement stronger then the original. Yah, I know that Rapair stuff seems to be a better deal then original Mercury stuff.. I am just frustrated by the fact that you spend untold thousands of dollars on a powerhead only to have some little carb needle stick on the back straightway for whatever reason. Granted, the Tohatsu is a new motor, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that it will be more reliable then the Mercury. The rods have to be stronger etc, the rewind looks stronger, you name it. I honestly hope a ton of people buy your'e motor, as well as the Tohatsu. But, that being said, the sport of stock ouboard racing is going to contine to shrink unless the commision (myself included) takes a hard look at where the sport is going. How are we going to atract more racing members if they can't find equipment? If you look at it from a diff. perspective, how can we possibly compete with other forms of racing, such as jet skis, motorcycles, etc etc, when other motor sports offer ready to race stuff to whoever has a checking account? Honestly, why should anybody get into Stock racing when they can go spend X amount of dollars on a jet ski or a go-cart or a motorcycle that is ready to race? Think how stupid it looks to a novice when we say to him or her..well, you can go racing, but you either have to buy a complete used outfit, or you can buy a motor from Ricky Montoya, a boat from Sam Hemp, a life jacket and helmet from Security or Lifeline, props from Dewald, and so on down the line. Them, we send them out on the race course, they race for a year, and they find they are 5 mph slower then the front runners......Well gee, now we have to tell them they have to send the 302 powerhead to Goller to have 2K of work done on it....They go...Huh? I thought this was stock racing. We go, well, it is, but.....So, the battle we are facing goes far beyond just approving one motor for one class...we better face the fact that we are gonna continue to lose members if we keep pushing new motors and stuff away. This seems to me to be a closed society....The guys that are fast don't want new equipment in the class, as they might at some point have to go out and buy said motor to compete....Just some more thoughts from a racer that spends way more money then he should on racing.

[ryan_4z]

There have been a lot of posts with reasons that D Stock is not growing but I think no one is talking about the main reason that the D numbers are so low. With most of the races running several racing divisions a driver wanting to go faster can run MOD. PRO or 45 ss and still race most weekends with thier Stock Outboard friends. If you count the number of Stock Outboard drivers racing in Mod, Pro and OPC and realize that 20 years ago thier only option was D stock this is part of the problem. Don Allen Sr.

I agree, with the merging of categories that is going on, it is currently a better investment to buy a CMH rig, than a DSH rig. For less money, with more reliable equipment, you can compete in a class in the same speed range that is just as popular. Why run D, when you can run BMH, or CMH, or 125ccH, or 250ccH?

[PopPop]

Stock Outboard racing.

[B]"Honestly, why should anybody get into Stock racing when they can go spend X amount of dollars on a jet ski or a go-cart or a motorcycle that is ready to race?"[/B]

Don't get me wrong, I love boat racing and am committed to it, but I can buy a complete ready-to-go stock Yamaha Cart at a dealer, about 1 mile from my house and race every Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday within a two hour drive. For someone with $5000 in their pocket and a desire to race with no history around boat racing the choice on so many levels is something other than boat racing.

[Haüenstein]

[B]"Honestly, why should anybody get into Stock racing when they can go spend X amount of dollars on a jet ski or a go-cart or a motorcycle that is ready to race?"[/B]

Don't get me wrong, I love boat racing and am committed to it, but I can buy a complete ready-to-go stock Yamaha Cart at a dealer, about 1 mile from my house and race every Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday within a two hour drive. For someone with $5000 in their pocket and a desire to race with no history around boat racing the choice on so many levels is something other than boat racing.

Wouldn't the cart sink? : )

-Mike

[csh2z]

PopPop,

When you buy this go-cart, will it be competitive, can you win with it, right off of the shelf?

By the way, if anybody wants to buy any stock or modified outboard complete racing rigs(specifically new drivers), call me. I will put together this "off the shelf" rig for you, ready to go racing, competitively.

John Runne
2-Z
252 636 9007
csh2z@hotmail.com

[14-H]

PopPop,

When you buy this go-cart, will it be competitive, can you win with it, right off of the shelf?

***csh2z@hotmail.com

I know this: if you hit the wall with it, it'll be junk. Frames are rarely fixable so that they can still be competitive. My BSR, on the other hand, has been smacked by Kelly, Anderson, Holt, Trolian, the other Trolian, Ludwig, Hagerl, Hemp... I could go on.

[18W]

Ed-
I have never hit that boat. But if I had, it would not have bent

[14-H]

Ed-
I have never hit that boat. But if I had, it would not have bent

Dave: Yes you did (or I hit you, which is really the same thing). There was an OMC A on it at the time... first turn, Burlington. I seem to remember that Referee Burghauer was a little upset at the drivers meeting the next day about all of the banging that all the ASRs did in the first turn the day before. I think Darrell L. got the short end of the stick on that particular first turn mash.

[Flying Squirrel]

We'll take the offer to sell your good props, nevertheless.

With all this talk of phasing in and out combined with multiple serious injuries in the past five years I just might take you up on that offer. At 150 lbs I was thinking ASH & ASR might be a little more my speed. Guess 30 years of racing can take a toll on ya? But I wouldn't even consider a cart or a jet ski. Kneeling on a jet ski sucks and I'm sure a cart won't float