Don't let Region 6 kill Sidewinder

[PRO-MOTIONRACING]

My thoughts from yeas ago still ring true...
The Sidewinder should have been developed as a 20ci motor and been given it's own class free and clear as reward for undertaking such an ambitious endeavor.
If you want to fix something in all of outboard boat racing fix that first.

[Lee Sutter]

Sidewinder 20S Get their own Class

Agree 100%.

[stevegray]

Sidewinders

Just let them run Sidewinders! Unless you all scared of being beat, at least they are American owned outfit? You guys make rules, and when competition arrives, you call "FOUL", way to keep it "REAL"

[fourty-eight N]

^^^ exactly. these motors are built according to APBA specifications. How can it possibly be fair to try and slow the motors down? or alter them in anyway?

[G Stillwill]

My thoughts from yeas ago still ring true...
The Sidewinder should have been developed as a 20ci motor and been given it's own class free and clear as reward for undertaking such an ambitious endeavor.
If you want to fix something in all of outboard boat racing fix that first.

Just what we need another new class that is why there are so many classes now just about every time a replacement motor came out :boat nobody wanted in there class so it got its own.

[Big Don]

Anyone ever stop to think why the same people are the only ones that ever post on here?

Because if you post on here you had better be prepared to be ridiculed.

What is wrong with combining the 20 Sidewinder in with the 25 class?

The class is beyond dead.

If this could revive a class, give those with 25's someone to race against, give the 20 sidewinder another home, would give the 20S two classes to run in, make the 20S the engine of choice, why not?

[dholt]

The 20sw already has BSR,BSH, and 25ssr. 3 classes 1 engine. Forget this 25ssh nonsense. Too many classes is already a problem.

[raceboat61-S]

Don asks: what's wrong with adding 20SW to the 25SSH class? Well the 25 class suffers for several reasons but I'm not sure the 20Sidewinder would save it. I've been running 25SSH for about 10 years and watched the dwindling numbers. It is a bit of a mystery why what I consider the purest of all the Stock classes doesn't have full fields at every race? Engine is available and affordable. Engines have built-in parity....you really can't do much to make them faster. They are durable, trouble free, and FAST! Problem to me seems that all of our drivers just got too old to race. Look at all the guys that worked up to the class and it is the last class they ever raced. This is a very challenging ride at 72 mph in a 105 pound boat! The first thing the Sidewinder parity group would do would be to slow the Mercs down. That goes against every effort those of us have made over the last 10 years. NOT speaking for the few of us that are left though, I'd rather slow down and race with Sidewinders than slow down to slosh around with a bunch of Yamato's in CSH! Mike Raceboat 61-S

[25xs seeya!]

Couple a years ago there was lots of talk of removing 25ssh from the schedule, now you want to try to revive it,, let's just keep confusing everyone some more, it has been working to improve numbers in all categories of APBA, perfect!

[Big Don]

I guess in Todd world you can't ask a question/s. Guess you can't ask questions to try and work on a solution to problems.

Maybe the best thing is to get get rid of 25, but we will never know what that answer is unless questions are asked.

Dana may be correct, maybe the best thing would be to just vote the class out this year.

I would like to find a second home for the 20S engine where it can prosper, and those that buy it can see the value with running it in 2 classes.

I would rather we only had 10 classes total and see us go to 3 or 4 heat racing, but that is not going to happen soon so we had better start adding some value for the racers investment.

Todd do you really have that much hatred for racing? I'm not sure if I have seen anything positive come from your finger tips in years.

[25xs seeya!]

I don't know don, yeah I guess I hate the fact that things aren't like they were back in the day with ABCD basic one engine per class, not to mention the fact that I'm old, with that said, it does kinda burn me a little that I spent quite a bit of time in 07 I guess, trying to keep the sidewinder from becoming just what is has become today, trying to make it have parity or the old motors slow or faster, i Never belived would work!,, and to me at this point it really still has no good home. I always thought that placing the SW into A was a mistake and that there would be a very bad outcome with losing lots of OMC families from competing in A, but you now can see the results, the 15SW should have been placed into 15 ss until either they were tuned correctly and given a couple of years to evolve, prove itself and get some numbers of motors out there Then at some point just kill the OMC. All fell on deaf ears and I was told to shut up.
I agree that the 20 SW should not be in 20ssh, it should only be in B, I really think that Br is the last real runabout class left (roll up) and with the hotrods aging and you know who owns 3/4 of the good ones,,, Lol.....how much longer will the most fun to watch class be around? yep Id much rather see 25 go away than B, thats for sure! it makes most sense no?
But then again I have been told that I'm delusional
You have to admit that stock outboard is a mess, from class structure to APBA, and having the foxes running the hen house is not helping, too late now It's fun to poke back tho

[reed28n]

25ssh

Anyone ever stop to think why the same people are the only ones that ever post on here?

Because if you post on here you had better be prepared to be ridiculed.

What is wrong with combining the 20 Sidewinder in with the 25 class?

The class is beyond dead.

If this could revive a class, give those with 25's someone to race against, give the 20 sidewinder another home, would give the 20S two classes to run in, make the 20S the engine of choice, why not?

The SW is already legal in 25SSH, but if a class is effective dead why do we hang on, the SORC promotional fund would good to help people transition out of a dying class and kill, to prevent new drivers from entering a Dead class.

Classes that do not meet a national criteria should be local classes, not governed by SORC and no national points. APBA should have a national platform of popular classes with currently in production motors.

Now the national criteria would be the debate....

[Matt Dagostino]

Team Reed

The SW is already legal in 25SSH, APBA should have a national platform of popular classes with currently in production motors

Scott

I assume you mean ONE CURRENTLY PRODUCED motor in each class............

As far as local classes, i doubt that would work. Why would folks waste time and money on a non-national class. I would think we would be better to promote Stock Outboard 'Classics" to fill the schedule??

It is cool to see the guys bring out the ole 20H's and so forth now and then.

[Big Don]

Soctt you are correct in the 20S is already legal in 25. What has the SORC done to try and bring some parity to that class? What have they done to give the Sidewinder a chance in 25?

Maybe the class should go away, I would vote for that. But then the 20S will only have 1 hydro class, is that ok?

Hey are you on the SORC this year, ligit question, not taking any shots at you.

[Lee Sutter]

Just what we need another new class that is why there are so many classes now just about every time a replacement motor came out :boat nobody wanted in there class so it got its own.

Hey George,
I would like to give the SW 20" engine a place to race (exclusively) and win without any restrictions or parity a committee. I believe leaving the SW 20S (restricted) in the 15 cubic inch "B" class and 20SSH (restricted) is OK - short term. The DSR and 25SSH are on their last leg, so maybe keep the SW 20" in 20SSH for 2014 restricted, eliminate a couple these weaker classes, then start the new SW 20" Hydro and Runabout classes in 2015 or after there are enough running Nationally to justify their own class - establish a minimum number to qualify. I want to support the USA made Sidewinder. They better get the bugs (design) fixed too or we will have a disaster on our hands
If the SW 20" get their own class, I will order a new SW20" BSR and keep my Yamato 302 Austin CSR/25SSR too. And, I bet lots of Yamato racers will buy in too!
I love boat racing and want to help make a brighter future.
New engines is the Life blood of Stock outboard racing. Not out of production 30+ year old motors with out new replacement parts.
Thoughts?
Regards,
Lee Sutter
1960 BSH National Champion