Don't let Region 6 kill Sidewinder

[Hutch06]

The Problem...

Still lies in the point that Dana has mentioned multiple times...

Finding parity between the Yamatos and the Sidewinder 20 CI in the 20SSH class will be impossible.

Promoting the class while trying to achieve parity at the same time as the powerplant progresses is ludicrous. If that were the case, what is the point of trying to grow the class? As pointed out by numerous people, we've seen the parity between motors inside the A & B classes due to parity commission decisions (not apples to apples, I do realize).

Too bad to have to say that about the second largest class in Stock Outboard Racing.

[Racerkyle20]

How good is that 80? Is it for sale? Maybe I am interested.

And D3 is correct the only way to get a mailing list is the Chairman has to request it. We were battling a time crunch so I googled 103 drivers names instead of working on racing stuff. I came up with about 67 of them.

So does this mean 36 20SSH drivers were not sent this petition?

[pav225]

Yamato in 20ssH

The 20ssH currently enjoys very good parity between the Y80 and the Y302. Both motors are extremely reliable and easy to run. In addition, they allow folks 2 different price points with which to get into the class. Knowing this, and seeing them both compete over the years, there is absolutely no reason to remove either motor from the class.

One intent of keeping 20ssH a Yamato only class, is to avoid the unproductive name calling that we have seen hurt the A class when trying to get 2 completely different motors to compete in one class. Parity won't be achieved, and it has never been suggested that the 20ci SW be the motor of choice in 20ssH. It's in the best interest of the drivers, the sport, and even motor manufacturers, to get it back to a Yamato only class and avoid a lot of future headaches.


Mike

[Big Don]

That is exactly what it means. I wish I had their addresses because the more I could mail directly to their homes the better response we would get. I'm sure there are many that won't come on here and share their thoughts but would gladly sign the petition.

I can also email it to anyone that wants one. All they have to do is print it and mail it back to me.

While I think a signed copy scanned in and sent back should work we are asking for the originals just to be safe. Our Bylaws are silent on this. All it says is a signed petition but we will be safe and send the originals.

[reed28n]

Racing vs Obamacare

I suppose you think Obamacare is the "law of the land" and we should just "deal with it", huh?

We have made some bad decisions in stock outboard over the years but nothing that compares to Obamacare. We can agree on that.

[csh12M]

Yes, sometimes you go along to get along

I suppose you think Obamacare is the "law of the land" and we should just "deal with it", huh?

Yes, we should of put up with it for a while. After the "doomed from the start" move to de-fund it, what was accomplished? Fragmented the Republican party even worse, make Boehner look like a dope, and weaken the chances of taking back the Senate.

Sometimes you have to ride it out to get where you really want to go.

BTW - I have no idea what to post on this topic.....

I see both sides of this argument. The elephant in the room is.....do we really believe in the Sidewinder for S.O. Half do and half don't.

I guess I don't understand whey the 20C.I. cant have 25SSH which has been suggested. Then you can run BSH/BSR and 25SSH/25SSR with the same motor and a restrictor plate. The same way you can run 20SSH/CSH and 25SSR and CSR with a restroctor plate in the 302.

I understand no one out West has B classes or 25SSH, but this is a way to build up both classes again immediately. All you have to do Pat is get three more guys who will do it. Chances are you will win High Points and that gets the class Nationally relevant again on the West coast.

The 302SSH class got 10 members in the first year in one area. If the 20C.I Sidewinder cant get 4 members in 25SSH then maybe we have the answer to Sidewinder long term future.

So....I guess I have an opinion. Make the 20C.I. motor the "motor of choice in 25SSH" and take it out of 20SSH. If we are not going to kick 25SSH out of the sport then...at least this would make it relevant.

[D_Allen_III]

I believe there is 25xs equipment in Region 10 as well, I've seen Ricochet trying to sell stuff for years. I imagine there should be enough equipment out there to get the class started and with as many new boat racers as Region 10 keeps getting, I'm sure the class will have 8 boats very quickly.

[Joe J]

Lauren has ran my C with a restrictor, yet neither of us has seen this petition. Mike, can you mail one to us?

Joe

[csh12M]

Pat and Kyle

Pat and Kyle,

If the 20CI Sidewinder was the "motor of choice" in 25SSH, how would you feel about it being removed from the 20SSH?
Put the restrictor back into the 25SSH, and make the restrictor progressively smaller every year until the 20 Sidewinder is winning. This encourages the investment into the Sidewinder and gives it it's own class.

Yes, I know about 8 25SSH drivers are going to be bent. Some will tell me class is about to come back... Just dig up all your posts from three years ago when I proposed it then and cut and paste them in.

This solution would please the greatest number of people, and hurt the least. If only congress could work like this

12M

[Big Don]

Lauren has ran my C with a restrictor, yet neither of us has seen this petition. Mike, can you mail one to us?

Joe

Joe please check your private messages.

[csh2z]

Good idea Dean. You could even add the Yamato 80 to the 25SSH as well as keeping it in 20, to give the class viability nationwide. With the Sidewinder as the motor of choice. The 302 restricted would be the motor of choice for 20SSH, with the 80 guys getting another ride! Two classes for each motor and a defined future path. It's promotable.


Reminder - I AM NOT A REPRESENTATIVE OF RACING OUTBOARDS LLC. just a customer.

[Rich Runne]

Lets look at FACTS
Yamato 80
• Displacement 20 cu. in.
• Minimum cc’s 18
• Loop scavenged with domed piston & hemispherical combustion chamber.
• Tuned exhaust with internal megaphone
Sidewinder model 20S
• Displacement 19.94 cu. in.
• Minimum cc’s 18
• Cross flow scavenged with Deflector piston

A 20 Cu. In.Motor in a 20 Cu. In. Class, makes sense.
Has been racing in 20ssh for three seasons.

[Matt Dagostino]

25ssh

Good idea Dean. You could even add the Yamato 80 to the 25SSH as well as keeping it in 20, to give the class viability nationwide. With the Sidewinder as the motor of choice. The 302 restricted would be the motor of choice for 20SSH, with the 80 guys getting another ride! Two classes for each motor and a defined future path. It's promotable.

Johnny
Sounds like a great plan.........25ssh needs all the help it can get if it is to be 'relevant nationwide'. I always thought the END PLAN for the 20ci Sidewinder was to be the Motor Of Choice in 25ssh! A true Kick Ass ride!! Allow the 20ci to quickly be the engine of choice to WIN.

[csh12M]

Lets look at FACTS
Yamato 80
• Displacement 20 cu. in.
• Minimum cc’s 18
• Loop scavenged with domed piston & hemispherical combustion chamber.
• Tuned exhaust with internal megaphone
Sidewinder model 20S
• Displacement 19.94 cu. in.
• Minimum cc’s 18
• Cross flow scavenged with Deflector piston

A 20 Cu. In.Motor in a 20 Cu. In. Class, makes sense.
Has been racing in 20ssh for three seasons.

Rich these are technical answers to a business problem.

I believe that the 20CI running as the dominant motor in 25SSH could be a great thing for the Sidewinder. I think it would sell more 20CI motors faster than running in 20SSH. As Reed points out, we treat all classes Nationally. So it would get Highpoint Championships, National Championships and HOC relevance much sooner than within the 20SSH class. This would help drive it. It would bring us back to the days of 15SSH and BSH with Hot Rods, except this time with a restricotr plate. This makes is more economical. It may also make it possible to run on the same boat. It also takes the confusion of parity out of the 20SSH class and makes the 302 the motor of choice for 20 and C with a restrictor plate.

The reality is, even if the Sidewinder starts to compete in 20SSH it will get paritied back for a few years with lots argument on both sides. If you just give it 25SSH then it starts on an even playing field.

I hate having all these classes, but if we are going to have them, lets at least use them correctly. Give 25SSH to the 20CI Sidewinder and make it relevant again. It will sell more Sidewinders and it will also pick up the BSH and BSR numbers with it by selling more crossover 20CI Sidewinders.

This makes the most sense and hurts the least amount of people.

and it takes away Donny's current 25SSH title every year

12M

[csh2z]

Dean,
My presumtion is that the 25XS would have to be restricted again?