Don't let Region 6 kill Sidewinder

[sponsonhead]

There's an echo in here

Pat and Kyle,

If the 20CI Sidewinder was the "motor of choice" in 25SSH, how would you feel about it being removed from the 20SSH?
Put the restrictor back into the 25SSH, and make the restrictor progressively smaller every year until the 20 Sidewinder is winning. This encourages the investment into the Sidewinder and gives it it's own class.

Yes, I know about 8 25SSH drivers are going to be bent. Some will tell me class is about to come back... Just dig up all your posts from three years ago when I proposed it then and cut and paste them in.

This solution would please the greatest number of people, and hurt the least. If only congress could work like this

12M

Dean,

Not speaking for Kyle, but for myself, this is pretty much what I am suggesting as well. The only real difference is that we allow just a little more time in 20SSH, since there's only one 25SSH that I know of on the west coast and at present is not running APBA. I would like to have at least 2 other boats to run against if we are to show people that the SW20 is a viable platform.

Again, it just seems like we can accomplish what everybody wants here with planning and discussion rather than scorched earth politics, selective petitioning and gerrymandering. I did tell Kyle last night that I could consider going the petition route too, but we are here to race boats instead of paper. And frankly, our time would be better spent testing.

R-19

[Big Don]

Pat, after seeing the mess the A class is in, we felt this was the best course of action, we have people leaving that class, people who won’t join the class, it’s not a good situation to be in. We are losing racers at an alarming rate and we have had new racers flat out tell us they are not willing to go that route because of the uncertainty it brings. We need to have a clear decision, not one that flounders around for years. We wanted to stop the 20ssH class from having the same outcome.

It also was not selective, unless you feel letting the drivers of the class make the decision is selective. It certainly does not give them any advantage either the entire class has a chance to vote. If it cannot garner enough votes than it’s a dead issue. Sorry you feel that following our bylaws and rules are a bad thing.

Oh and I don't have faith in our SORC to always make the right or best decisions.

Good luck testing. We are trying to get out this weekend also but the weather does not look promising.

[csh2z]

Pat,
Does anybody have Yamato 80's out there?

Don,
Is putting the 80 into the 25 class as well as 20, a reasonable option?

[sponsonhead]

80's

John,

There are a few 80's, but we might have to beat the bushes to find them. Certainly more 80's than 25XS engines.

R-19

[D_Allen_III]

This makes the most sense and hurts the least amount of people.

and it takes away Donny's current 25SSH title every year

12M

I wish I had that ride every year, I was just a fill in because Ed Hearn wimped out at registration.

[Matt Dagostino]

Wow..........

I wish I had that ride every year, I was just a fill in because Ed Hearn wimped out at registration.

Ed wimped out? Now maybe that's something we can all agree on!!

[14-H]

I wish I had that ride every year, I was just a fill in because Ed Hearn wimped out at registration.

It's your ride, Donny. I'm not a hydro guy.

[Big Don]

Pat,
Does anybody have Yamato 80's out there?

Don,
Is putting the 80 into the 25 class as well as 20, a reasonable option?

John giving anyone with equipment an additional class to participate in adds value to our sport.

I want to be clear on this though. I do not feel that the SORC always makes the correct decisions. With that said, I like where you are heading, but we will not stop with this petition. We need to make sure the class participants are protected.

I also would favor locking in whatever we come up with for 5 year or more so we can start selling this sport and get new drivers.

I really am looking forward to your plan.

[Big Don]

It's your ride, Donny. I'm not a hydro guy.

Does that mean Donny get's your BSH ride also?

[mercguy]

I believe there is 25xs equipment in Region 10 as well, I've seen Ricochet trying to sell stuff for years. I imagine there should be enough equipment out there to get the class started and with as many new boat racers as Region 10 keeps getting, I'm sure the class will have 8 boats very quickly.

NO, we do not need any more classes in Reg10...........

[csh2z]

Don,
No need to stop the petition (CYA), I'm curious about the results too.

[bill boyes]

Question?
Do the SORC membership really want a new Motor??
Remember the 302. I know I had the first one on the West Coast. It was going to blow the socks off the 102's. DID IT? Remember c2???
Remember the Merc 15 in A. It was going to blow the socks off the OMC. DID IT? no it was a back marker. The A class voted "NO" to Restrict the OMC. so the Merc went to J and AX then came along a guy named George and made the Merc run. Now the Merc is the Motor of choice in the J class.
Remember the Merc 44 still on going saga where the D owners did not want the Tohatsu . They still don't!!!
Now we have the SW and OMC in A. Don says the the A class in Region 7 is dead. OK now look at the A class in Region 12? It it dying?
Remember the Y80 was dying so the restricted 302 was brought in. It was 2-3 miles off the Y 80 until Father/Son named Perman came along and woke up the 302 in the 20ssh class. Now it seems the motor of choice in the 20 class. And why not, heck look at all the classes that can be run with the motor.
Now comes along the SW 20 motor. The y80/302 owners say OH WAIT not in my class. It going to blow the socks off my y80/302.
I will answer my own question of " Do the Members of the SORC want a new motor." I would say YES but not in MY CLASS.
My final comment the 302 it a great motor. At the old CSH rules it just had a very hard time competing with the 102.
Then after15 years the SORC lowered the CSH height and the 302 CC's a little. Now the 302 is the motor of choice because they are AVAILABLE and COMPETITIVE.

[runabout333]

What George stated on page #6 is very true.
You could be scaring potential drivers away.

[Big Don]

Yea because this is the ONLY thread that has negitivity in it.

But I agree that is why we need to get stability back in our sport. Set a plan, lock it in, let's move forward.

[Hutch06]

Runabout333,

Yes, I agree with you 110% - I am meeting with a potential new racer this evening, who I KNOW has some hesitations, probably from reading this thread.

However, that is the very problem that lies in this sport.
There is certainty in some classes - The J, AX, C, and 302SSH classes.
The rest of the classes? Pshew, they're all a doozy for a new potential racer to try to evaluate and predict where the class and their equipment would be from year to year... and this is just on paper!

In all reality, Stock is not all THAT far off from having a 'path' for each new potential racer. But, it makes it impossible if the rules change completely from year to year.

Let's stabilize where the 20 CI Sidewinder needs to be in regards to class structure.