Rule Clarification on 1/4 Mile Records

[Bob Rusnak]

These type of 'specialty' hulls are why Kilo's are basically a thing of the past. Once Pav, Reed and the boys start building 1/4 mile 'special' boats the 1/4 mile runs will die just like the Kilo's have............

This is nothing new, in the late 1960 they had the Liquid 1/4 mile run. It was open to all APBA classes. It lasted about 2 years.

On another note, Sean McKean set his Kilo record with his competition boat. Only changes were lower unit gear ratio, (over drive) and the removal of fins.

[mercguy]

I think we need to have clarification in the rulebook soon as we have a 1/4 mi and kilo run this weekend. If a kilo boat runs the quarter mile and sets a record are we going to toss it? Entries are $175 per class and that could tick someone off pretty easily. I like the idea of the quarter mile being different than the kilo, but like Montana Mike posted earlier what's to prevent someone from running a race in a kilo boat just to have that under their belt so they can run it in the 1/4 mi?

no way to change the way the rules are right now, as it should be. They can be "ammended" during the National Meeting..........

and I also agree, there should be no special 1/4 mile "kilo" boats also..............also think the length of the "shoot" should be minimized.....

I do like the "modified version" of receiving HOC points for a 1/4mile record better though, as you must beat the "fastest" (1 2/3mile) closed course record speed by 10% to receive HOC points...

looks like we have quite a few guys going at the 1/4mile stock and mod records this weekend at D-Lake......

[D_Allen_III]

I guess we need to discourage the extra lexan Brewster added and the new windshield Austin added, we might as well include in the rule that if you have not raced the rig or you don't own the boat you can't attempt a record. that way someone couldn't try to pile on HOC points.

Well don't do that. I'd have to buy rigs for a $1 and sell them back for a $1. I'd have at least $5 tied up over the course of a weekend.

We figured we'd see a few members from Reed Racing Hulls in WV this weekend but we turned out to be wrong. Too bad, the CSH record would have been fun to race for. Next year I guess...

[reed28n]

$1

Well don't do that. I'd have to buy rigs for a $1 and sell them back for a $1. I'd have at least $5 tied up over the course of a weekend.

We figured we'd see a few members from Reed Racing Hulls in WV this weekend but we turned out to be wrong. Too bad, the CSH record would have been fun to race for. Next year I guess...

oh we could probably come up with a rule for that too...

[pav225]

Final Decision

BTW Mike, congrats on the records. Those are terrific speeds

Thanks Sean...appreciate the kind words! We worked hard and had a great time going for it.

Back to the question that many of us still have.... What is the rule regarding 1/4 Mile boats? And who makes the final decision on boat legality??

Not trying to stir the pot, just trying to ensure clear rules for everyone to follow and hopefully avoid future headaches.

Mike

[14J]

Not trying to stir the pot, just trying to ensure clear rules for everyone to follow and hopefully avoid future headaches.

Mike

Avoid headaches? Please Mr.! How long have you been involved in this sport?

[bill boyes]

Pat Gleason where are you???HELP!!!! The SORC is going to screw up the 1/4 mile time trial rules.

[blueskyracer]

I gather no one had fun this last weekend at the records run.. That's what I get out of this mess or you are already trying to protect what you have done.. It like watching the news lately..

[racer3j]

Can I run my boat?

Just hit the Idaho boarder on our way to Devils Lake, Just wanted to make sure we could run our new 1/4 mile record boat, We have not been able to race it this year in competition since we just pulled it off the jig, but it does meet all of the specifications for the BSR class. Just want to make sure we can run. It would be a long 48 hour ride back to New Jersey. Thanks for the help

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[D_Allen_III]

Why are you driving all the way there when you could have just driven to WV last weekend? You were already registered too!

I woke up at 6 am Sunday morning thinking you'd be there, only to be disappointed...

[racer3j]

Why are you driving all the way there when you could have just driven to WV last weekend? You were already registered too!

I woke up at 6 am Sunday morning thinking you'd be there, only to be disappointed...

Had a game, you know how college coaches get when you tell them your going to jump on a high powered piece of ply wood, and then try to go as fast as you can.

[14J]

Just hit the Idaho boarder on our way to Devils Lake, Just wanted to make sure we could run our new 1/4 mile record boat, We have not been able to race it this year in competition since we just pulled it off the jig, but it does meet all of the specifications for the BSR class. Just want to make sure we can run. It would be a long 48 hour ride back to New Jersey. Thanks for the help

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Turn around. The parity committee met this evening and changed a few rules. You have to run a boat that was built and race ready by 9 21 13. Try again next year.

[pav225]

Rules

I gather no one had fun this last weekend at the records run.. That's what I get out of this mess or you are already trying to protect what you have done.. It like watching the news lately..

We had a great time this weekend!!! One of the coolest events we have been to in a long time.

Don't misunderstand my comments or intent. I could care less if someone breaks our records at Devil's Lake, we already accomplished what we set out to do in WV...and we plan to be faster next year.

I would really like to avoid future pissing matches because of lack of clarity on the rules. The original intent was to get racers to run "normal" race boats through the traps. If the rules are opened up to special boats, you will need one in order to have any chance of setting a record. Most racers don't have the time or money to invest in a boat that may run once a year. We, on the other hand, are stupid enough to build a special boat that is faster in a straight line than a "normal" boat. These special boats will likely cause people (without straightaway boats) to not bother showing up at time trials and kill the event.

Personally, I'd prefer to have other folks there to compete against. The 25 battle between Brewster and Allen was pretty awesome!

Mike

[Matt Dagostino]

Mikey

Avoid headaches? Please Mr.! How long have you been involved in this sport?

Don't worry about Troy, he has to agree with Reed or he is off the Team.!! Wait a minute, he is already been kicked off Team Reed!!

Do you have a Pavlick Tee-shirt that will fit Troy???

[Matt Dagostino]

Mike

I gather no one had fun this last weekend at the records run.. That's what I get out of this mess or you are already trying to protect what you have done.. It like watching the news lately..

This is all good banter!! Now that all these issues are coming to the surface on Hydroracer, perhaps the leaders can give some thought to fine tuning the rules to assure the 1/4 mile runs are not compromised.

After all, arn't these forums on Hydroracer meant to create stimulating discussions and create awareness!!