aluminum rub rails illegal...........

[mercguy]

not that I am overly concerned about the safety rule implemented about making aluminum rub rails illegal now in stock (but still legal in mod and pro), but what brought it about?

[Silas_53A]

What are aluminum rub rails?

[daveracerdsh]

Rub rails

Darren: Not a clue on this. If it was discussed at a stock meeting I must have been in the bathroom or something. Makes no sense to me at all. Also...I think the intent is ti not allow them on the end of the pickle...not the rest of the sponson. Also.....there are stainless steel rub rails available. The rule does not say you can't use those. BTW...you looked very fast in DSH last weekend. Congrads on whatever you have done over the off season. Dave

[jeff55v]

What are aluminum rub rails?

Rub rails have no performance advantage. I can only guess the ruling has something to do with safety.

Lift rails however, clearly give a runabout a performance advantage. Yet was made legal in DSR. I can only guess the ruling had little to do with common sense.


ADD: Hey Daren, if you're worried about banging up your boat on the dock, you could use those boat bumper thingys.

[ZUL8TR]

Rule rub?

APBA Mod, Stock and Pro rule book 21. B 2) states for stock -

"half oval aluminum rub moulding is not allowed on Stock Outboard picklefork or cockpit noses".

See page 4 here:

http://www.apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010SOMOPRO.pdf

Seems to me other metal is allowed (go figure?) and definition omitted as to the dimensional extent of rub moulding that is not permitted ( x 2).

[B Walker]

Classic example of mis-interpretation of "spirit and intent" of the rules...

The point of the rule is to reduce the damage done to people and equipment by metal hardened pickles and cockpit leading edges.

In the past people have used half round aluminum because it is cheap, easy to work with and comes in stock pre-drilled and countersunk lengths.

It does not mean you can harden leading edges with another metal.

Expect more rules like this as APBA moves in the general direction of the UIM standard for impact resistance.

Incrementally of course.

Brad Walker

[BP125V]

rub rails

Classic example of mis-interpretation of "spirit and intent" of the rules...

The point of the rule is to reduce the damage done to people and equipment by metal hardened pickles and cockpit leading edges.

I'm glad they have outlawed them. All this talk about making the tips of pickles safer and yet still allowing them to be reinforced by metal is kinda silly. Also, over the years I have seen many cases, including on my dad's boat (sorry dad), where the screw heads were not properly countersunk thus creating a nice sharp protrusion(s) on the side of the boat. Plus, why would you want them anyways? They serve no function except to add weight and cost to the boat.

Bill

[ZUL8TR]

rule

Classic example of mis-interpretation of "spirit and intent" of the rules...

The point of the rule is to reduce the damage done to people and equipment by metal hardened pickles and cockpit leading edges.

In the past people have used half round aluminum because it is cheap, easy to work with and comes in stock pre-drilled and countersunk lengths.

It does not mean you can harden leading edges with another metal.

Expect more rules like this as APBA moves in the general direction of the UIM standard for impact resistance.

Incrementally of course.

Brad Walker

No misinterpertation, I understand the intent, just reporting the rule as written with my .
Rule still needs clarity to prevent misinterpertation.

[raceright]

Darren: Not a clue on this. If it was discussed at a stock meeting I must have been in the bathroom or something. Makes no sense to me at all. Also...I think the intent is ti not allow them on the end of the pickle...not the rest of the sponson. Also.....there are stainless steel rub rails available. The rule does not say you can't use those. BTW...you looked very fast in DSH last weekend. Congrads on whatever you have done over the off season. Dave

Love it yea use stainles,or just steel maybe titanium. lololololo
Great example of bending rules.. Why I dislike rules there is always a way to cheat. Ask any lawyer.. Ok I'll shut up now.

Pat Wright

[Mark 32]

What about runabouts?
no sponsons there. Pretty sure there's some aluminum trim near the back of my B runabout..

[bill boyes]

What about OAK. I used to use OAK as rub rails on my runabouts.

[Mark 32]

oak, stainless, BARBED WIRE....

[Al Peffley]

Metal Trim?

I have owned stock, mod, and pro hydros since 1993 (actually since 1958, if I count my first hydro.) None of the hydros had metal trim of any type on the pickle forks or the aft hull edges. I have a Glaspar Avalon with aluminum trim for dock ding protection (makes sense on a ski boat used for pleasure boating.) I agree with the comment that it just adds weight and cost to the boat hull, so why bother adding trim for the few times that you are operating close to a dock. We certainly don't need frontal edge metal trim to cause more injury in an accident. Update the rule in the Propeller to exclude all types of metal edge trim applications on stock hydro hull sponson and nose leading edges. This should be a "common sense" safety item on any hydro hull. Then again (considering the current trends in bad governing systems), common sense seems to be lacking...

Al

[bill boyes]

I do not have a problem with the new rule. I have a problem with the wording of the rule.

[Jeff Brewster 59s]

instead of raising the level of confusion on this site.....

Please read your minutes guys:

http://www.apba-racing.com/Forms/201...0SOminutes.pdf

I proposed to toss out this rule in Seattle and our SORC voted unanimously to do so.

This included the slick attempt to create a thickness on runabout noses.