DOT out?

[Howie Nichols]

Painting an HJC Poly Carbonate

This is an email I sent directly to HJC and their reply on painting;

----- Original Message -----
From: apba113@aol.com
To: info@hjchelmets.com
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: CL-16 painting


Hello,
I just purchased the cl 16 helmet but need to paint it so that it conforms to my racing organizations rules. I bought the solid white but need to paint it a solid orange.
What are your recommendations or suggestions for doing this? Or would I be better off using a vinyl wrap?

Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you quickly.

Howie Nichols

Reply:

Dear Howie:

In response to your inquiry, the correct and safest way to paint our helmets is by using a two stage urethane automotive paint (base coat/clear coat combination). Automotive type paint is what we use at our factory in Korea. In preparing your helmets, do not remove any of the rubber trim or vents, rather, mask them with a high grade 3M painters masking tape. Scuff all the shiny surface with a high grade wet/dry 3M automotive sanding paper (320 grit - 400 grit). Wipe your helmet down with some wax/grease remover to clean off all the excess sanding powder. Then spray your base coat - let dry - spray your clear coat.

Please make note that any modifications made to your helmet are subject to possibly having the warranty void at our determination.

If you have any other question feel free to email us back. Hope this helps!

We appreciate your business and contributions in making HJC Helmet North
America's number one helmet selling company for the past decade.

Please visit www.hjchelmets.com for our new and exciting product line
(FS-15, IS-16, SY-MAX II, IS-MAX, FS-3, FS-2, IS-33, CS-5N, CS-2N) alongside recent past models.
There are still more new models to come very soon in the future!

Thank You.

Fritzie Cota
Customer Service
HJC America, Inc.
16918 Edwards Rd
Cerritos, CA 90703
T: (562) 407-2186 Ext. 256
F: (562) 802-7706
E: fritzie@hjchelmets.com

[DiGia54D]

Thanks Howie, Thats the helmet I have. Mines masked and at my buddies Paint shop

[jeff55v]

Just looking at that paint job it would seem that by filling it in a little it would resemble a hand with the 'finger-of-fate' extended.

Yeah, I saw the middle finger in that paint job too!

[hagerl8m]

What about ece standards?

[HydroKyle93R]

Thanks Chris, finally someone else has the sense to ask this question...


However, I just read back a page, and Gleason states that "ECE=joke" which I'm guessing means that DOT=ECE=joke. Also: Bob Wartinger sent Adam Allen a letter on the APBA social site I will repost for carification:
"Hi Adam,

Sorry that I didn't get the message about the board meeting, would have
liked to listen in.... (I failed to notice the announcement of elections
last summer in the Propeller, so didn't file for Council at Large, (along
with Stan Fitts). Had I been continuing along on the Council, I would have
gotten a meeting notice....Oh well, next time.

Simply put the SNELL M2010 standard imparts less energy to the head. As does
the new FIA standard....but the expense is very high and most of the people
involved say that the FIA standard is very close to the SNELL and don't
recommend the FIA, unless you're driving an extreme vehicle....

I have included some other material, an article by Suomy regarding BSI
standards, etc. Also an article in Web Bike World from Snell where the curve
I have attached is also shown. I got the curve from another helmet supplier
(STAND 21), so it is pretty commonly accepted.
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...0-standard.htm

My evaluation is based on two things, lower the shock to the head and the
compliance procedure. All the helmets sold in this country have to meet a
DOT standard, just as in Europe, they have to meet an ECE -2204,05 standard
to be used on the street.
Above that standard, the manufacturer voluntarily decides to build a
"better" helmet. Here's a quote from a magazine article about the subject.

"There are major differences between M2010 and previous Snell Standards;
mostly due to the emergence of ECE 22-05, the standard now in mandatory use
throughout the UK and Europe. Snell motorcycle helmet standards are
voluntary; manufacturers build to Snell standards because they want to and
they build to DOT, ECE 22-05 or other standards because they have to. And
if it comes to a choice between what a manufacturer wants to do and what it
has to do, they will give up Snell for DOT or ECE 22-05 every time. As a
result, Snell certified motorcycle helmets are currently allowed for
European racing but not for European street riding. Thus, manufacturers who
make Snell certified helmets cannot bring their Snell models into Europe.
If they want to sell helmets in Europe, they have to build separate,
non-Snell helmet versions

The new Snell M2010 standard resolves this problem. Once it takes effect
(It is now in effect, BW), manufacturers will be able to build helmets which
will satisfy DOT, ECE 22-05 and Snell simultaneously. (It is just that the
DOT are minimum as shown in the graph, BW)"

I also added a slightly blurry copy of another chart that I use in
presentations when we begin to discuss the relationship between size of the
helmet and the response upon impact. The DOT standard has to lower the
impulse to the head to 400g, where the other standards require the helmet to
lower the impulse g value quite a bit more.

I hope that I haven't done too much of a data dump, but here's a little
back up...if more clarification is needed, be glad to help.

Bob"

[thetrailergod]

I do have a question on this, I do know that APBA sancations almost every thing that floats . but most of us guys on this board are knee riders, and seriously how many head tramuas have all of these guys combined had in a DOT rated bucket in the last 10 or so years??? 1 maybe 2?? seriously??

[krazy karl]

Compliant

Thanks Chris, finally someone else has the sense to ask this question...


However, I just read back a page, and Gleason states that "ECE=joke" which I'm guessing means that DOT=ECE=joke. Also: Bob Wartinger sent Adam Allen a letter on the APBA social site I will repost for carification:
"Hi Adam,

Sorry that I didn't get the message about the board meeting, would have
liked to listen in.... (I failed to notice the announcement of elections
last summer in the Propeller, so didn't file for Council at Large, (along
with Stan Fitts). Had I been continuing along on the Council, I would have
gotten a meeting notice....Oh well, next time.

Simply put the SNELL M2010 standard imparts less energy to the head. As does
the new FIA standard....but the expense is very high and most of the people
involved say that the FIA standard is very close to the SNELL and don't
recommend the FIA, unless you're driving an extreme vehicle....

I have included some other material, an article by Suomy regarding BSI
standards, etc. Also an article in Web Bike World from Snell where the curve
I have attached is also shown. I got the curve from another helmet supplier
(STAND 21), so it is pretty commonly accepted.
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...0-standard.htm

My evaluation is based on two things, lower the shock to the head and the
compliance procedure. All the helmets sold in this country have to meet a
DOT standard, just as in Europe, they have to meet an ECE -2204,05 standard
to be used on the street.
Above that standard, the manufacturer voluntarily decides to build a
"better" helmet. Here's a quote from a magazine article about the subject.

"There are major differences between M2010 and previous Snell Standards;
mostly due to the emergence of ECE 22-05, the standard now in mandatory use
throughout the UK and Europe. Snell motorcycle helmet standards are
voluntary; manufacturers build to Snell standards because they want to and
they build to DOT, ECE 22-05 or other standards because they have to. And
if it comes to a choice between what a manufacturer wants to do and what it
has to do, they will give up Snell for DOT or ECE 22-05 every time. As a
result, Snell certified motorcycle helmets are currently allowed for
European racing but not for European street riding. Thus, manufacturers who
make Snell certified helmets cannot bring their Snell models into Europe.
If they want to sell helmets in Europe, they have to build separate,
non-Snell helmet versions

The new Snell M2010 standard resolves this problem. Once it takes effect
(It is now in effect, BW), manufacturers will be able to build helmets which
will satisfy DOT, ECE 22-05 and Snell simultaneously. (It is just that the
DOT are minimum as shown in the graph, BW)"

I also added a slightly blurry copy of another chart that I use in
presentations when we begin to discuss the relationship between size of the
helmet and the response upon impact. The DOT standard has to lower the
impulse to the head to 400g, where the other standards require the helmet to
lower the impulse g value quite a bit more.

I hope that I haven't done too much of a data dump, but here's a little
back up...if more clarification is needed, be glad to help.

Bob"

This explains why my helmet is Snell compliant but has a disclaimer that says it cannot be used on the street with no DOT certification. I always wondered why as the Snell standards are so much stricter.
kk

[ram95]

Well now. I certainly appreciate the information Bob gathers and the way he presents it. Bob's a thoughtful guy. Trouble is, there are some blowhards out there who think everyone ought to subscribe to the way they think, just because they think they've seen the light, or whatever. At the Nat'l mtg, some of those dickheads even voiced their opinion, to quote "some racers aren't smart enough to figure out what helmet is safe to wear" or something to that same effect. How do you like that folks? Racers are dumb!! Well.... not all racers.... just those who don't fork out $450 for a brain-bucket. What a bunch of crap. There are so many variations out there: Strap attachment; strap release; shield attachment; air vents; anti-fog; type of attaching hardware; type of padding; ability to remove and clean padding; shield materials and tints; peripheral vision allowance... can YOU think of any others? I probably can. For all you folks who would impose your great gift of intelligence upon me... howz about fit?? Fit is primary to ensure proper function. Here I got somethin for ya.... it's a fence post... bend over... see if it'll fit.

Alex
Mad Russian Racing, 12A DSH
Stock Commisioner, Region One

[joejohn44]

I like the NBRA wording. Seems adequate to me. I also like the fact that the NBRA rulebook came with my membership. It's not very thick. And, even tho it's not on-line... more importantly, it is ON MY BENCH.

alex

NBRA rule book IS online....

[doc 35-0]

We wear flip helmets, because we race mainly in the south and the temp can be over a hundred degrees. Flip the helmet and you can breath and cool down sooner. It allows us to drink to replace fluids without takeing off the helmet. There is one shnell approved flip helmet, but it does not come in the required color, it would be a nightmare to paint...thus expensive. One problem with full face helmets is the mass it presents to the water when it hits. We always wear neck collars to counter act that force. Bell has a approved helmet, at a reasonable price, but it has a very large shape that could bucket. The other hjc helmet is 323. dollars that comes in the right color and shape. We have two drivers..these helmets are not what we want and a finanical burden. I just hope APBA was thinking when it put these new restraints on their membership.

[Fast Jack]

Dont forget to tell the ... ...

I hope Crown Partners tells the new guy what type of helmet to get. He (new Guy ) wont have this rule in his book ..OOPS no rule book - Well -he can look in the new propeller .. OOPS -- thats gone .

[dwestby]

RAM 95 I have know you to hold back why not take a step back and tell us what you really thing . Got to love it ALEX or we would being doing it talk to later this week Props will be sent out this week

[ram95]

Huh?? what props? You mean the new Hartzell for my Cessna 180 turbo? We're gonna have a different prop governor for that one!! With any luck we'll set a new time-to-climb record with it with the IO 540. That Tohatsu will never even see that kinda fuel flow.

[Danny Pigott]

Nbra

IS NBRA coming to the southeast, keep it up APBA

[Big Don]

It's my fault. I told the BOD that I thought it was a good idea. Actually my correct response was, “ I like it because a lot of racers are dumb and don’t value their melon”.

ADD: Especially my friend Mike Pavlick who must not value his melon, have you seen that helmet? Or my own kid… nuff said…..Hate on