J motors...

[Steve Warnock]

Hearn on the Left Side??????

Cheese and Rice Ed,

Sounds like your taking a liberal side on this issue.

Oh thats right, I forgot your a lawyer.

I was there when the proposal from Sam Hemp was presented and my notes state "any production produced Mercury ring and pistons (including .015 OS)for the current Mercury J motors can be used" Reasoning, Mercury changes part numbers frequently.

Unfortunately thats not what got printed!

OH well, good intentions not well do***ented!!! Who's the J Class Secretary? There isn't one!!! So what we thought was agreed to was or can be subject to the interpratation of those submitting the rules. Not what was really stated! Think about the process of decision do***entation. You've been a VP and understand how very important this really is in the heat of running a Catagory!!! Its critical!!

Kids Loose!

Warbs

[14-H]

Cheese and Rice Ed,

Sounds like your taking a liberal side on this issue.

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Kids Loose!

Warbs

Actually, Steve, our respective interpretations are running right with our political views. Conservatives generally interpret the rules (or laws) according to what they actually say; liberals generally interpret them according to what they want them to say. We each fit our stereotype!

Too bad your notes are not the minutes for the J meeting, especially since you heard the exact opposite of what Sam Hemp did and you were both at the same meeting.

BTW: your spelling is approaching the accuracy of Mikey's; might your note-taking suffer the same problem?

[Steve Warnock]

Whats In The Rule Book-tech Manual?????

Ed,

Your going Liberal on me!

Whats in the tech manual doesn't always spell the truth and is subject to interpretaions.

Case in point, 1984 Wakefield ASH qulification inspection, Don Roseberry inspected my KG-4 port covers with a radius of a Quarter and tossed me. The infamous EDGAR up held the DQ. A 25 cent quarter is and never was part of the inspection tool list. Protested and SORC Commisioner Blowman (C. Bowman) lead the charge to deny. Thats when I vowed to get into APBA Politics to attempt to correct this improper issue.

Oh thats right I picked this young WELL DRESSED kid from Indiana to be on my commission.

The point is we need to pay more attention at the annual meetings to make sure what was agreed to is what is printed.

Done!

Got to get ready for racing!!

Warbs

[Steve Warnock]

Legal Eagals!!!?????

Its a never ending battle!!!!

Lets go racing, this is water over the dam. It will be a interesting Whitney!

Sorry on the spelling, burning the candles BABE on both ends!!

Love YA!

Warbs

[14-H]

Ed,

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Oh thats right I picked this young WELL DRESSED kid from Indiana to be on my commission.

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Warbs

First: I ain't no liberal. Second: I'm still a "young WELL DRESSED kid from Indiana. Third: I guess that makes all of this your fault!

Now THAT IS liberal thinking!

[Steve Warnock]

Indiana - Right Wing or Wrong Way?

Hey,

Both of us born in Indiana, Richmond for me and raised around New Castle.

Per Mae West, "I was pure as the white snow, until I drifted" So we moved to Wisco. Wasn't my doin? But agreed with the anti war politics in the 60-70's.

Now there is the dress code issue, I'll have to assemble some of our finest designers to help you into the "HOOD" style. Yaz knoz to fitz inz! There's always Joe Z's superman suit!!!!!

My fault debait(sp-just for you): I think I can obtain the T&T Team of Bowman, Reed, & Warnock to take on the COORS Light team of How we do em and screw em.

Bring it on!!! So whats yaz bringing for the Taste of the Regions???? Indiana Law Books???

Bye the Bye when is Team Hearn Taking off? Team Warbs is lookin at a Sat Am take off with an overnite somewheres by Penn or NY border.



Sorry Guys, I know this is not the topic of this thread.

Eddie is so much fun!

Warbs

Warbs

[wdlong1226]

laywers

just know how to turn things around ALWAYS in there favor the answer is your right. have a nice day we all just need to know where to get a bulk shipment of 1950,s rings

[Big Don]

Ed,

Maybe we could give the J class's back to the Stock's since they did such a fine job with them...

[Big Don]

just know how to turn things around ALWAYS in there favor the answer is your right. have a nice day we all just need to know where to get a bulk shipment of 1950,s rings

And let's hope that is what they are and not some ring out of a 1942 John Deere

[reed28n]

Eddie Eddie Eddie

This is absolutely outrageous! This has never been required at any inspection in the SO Category. What has been allowed, and what is specifically spelled out in our rules is that the inspector is permitted to compare the competitor's part to new parts in order to assess whether the part is a legal one.

This business about requiring the driver to produce a similar part along with a tech manual has never been required, is not part of the rules and constitutes a rule change within one week of the National Championships. FOUL!

Of all the dames in all the places. Thanks for the private emails and off line conversations to help with the matters at hand. The J solution is outrageous.
Don't inspect the rings? That is insane.

The parts will be compared to a new when it is inspected. If it does not match the motor will be disqualified.

Because of the black and white of the rule, any merc ring is allowed so how do we know? We offered a path for reinstatement.

You are welcome to challenge me...........we are trying to give someone an opportunity to prove the ring they are using is a merc part.

Maybe the tech manual for the Mercury should have been more clear when the Mercury was crammed......I mean introduced.

Smiles

[Kev43V]

Absolutely wrong Kevin! Go back and read my posts; they are in the public domain. What I said was that the SORC specifically excluded, by majority vote, the gears that were at issue. The publisher of the tech manual simply forgot to remove those gears from the manufacturer's specs when they were reprinted in the SO tech manual.

I said nothing about the intent. I only said that the tech manual had an error in it and that it did not reflect the actual vote of the SORC.

I'll say it again: there is no such error here with the J Rings.

Yes Eddie i already did that. But i must ask why the editing was not done BEFORE it was sent to the publisher?

[csh2z]

Kev43V, Are you volunteering to be on the inspection manual committee?

[Kev43V]

Sure if my trip to the National meetings are paid for. (not because I am greedy but due to my embarrassing financial situation)

[ryan_4z]

Of all the dames in all the places. Thanks for the private emails and off line conversations to help with the matters at hand. The J solution is outrageous.
Don't inspect the rings? That is insane.

It's an embarassment to our sport is what it is. Whoever came up with that idea ought to think about resigning their position. The J category promotes cheating, just another reason why Stock Outboard should be given their class back.

The parts will be compared to a new when it is inspected. If it does not match the motor will be disqualified.

Because of the black and white of the rule, any merc ring is allowed so how do we know? We offered a path for reinstatement.

You are welcome to challenge me...........we are trying to give someone an opportunity to prove the ring they are using is a merc part.

This seems like the only reasonable solution under the current situation.

Maybe the tech manual for the Mercury should have been more clear when the Mercury was crammed......I mean introduced.

Smiles

Nice choice of words!

[Team B&H]

Do you suppose Eddie is going to look at A OMC piston rings to see if they are all factory issue or is this somehow only an issue for Merc engines?