J motors...

[csh2z]

Just ask one question - "Which group of kids shall we screw?"

[Lights]

Just ask one question - "Which group of kids shall we screw?"

I have been fallowing this thread. Because I Have three son's that may be J drivers in a couple of years.

I think it is dead wrong to allow the rings in question to be allowed. There is plenty of time for the parents to change out the rings in question to the legal Merc rings before the nationals. They do not cost that much. Remember last year when the SORC told the new Tahotsu(sp?) owners a couple of weeks before the nationals. That if they ran a XX:XX gear case they would be DQ'd no exceptions. And a new Gearcase cost how much??? In my opnion, if the parents do not change out these rings in question. The kids that run them should be DQ'd. Then parents that know that they are running these rings in question. Would only be screwing there own kids.

[Kev43V]

Yes Mark
I think I even remember Eddie posting that the INTENT of the rule was to not allow anything but 1:1 gears. therefor the rule had to be changed to meet the INTENT of the rule

[ricochet112]

Yes Mark
I think I even remember Eddie posting that the INTENT of the rule was to not allow anything but 1:1 gears. therefor the rule had to be changed to meet the INTENT of the rule

Not remembering correctly.

The request to allow other gears than 1:1 gears was voted down when the Tohatsu was approved for DSH, the rules stated that 1:1 was the only legal gear set.

The rule states that any OEM Merc ring set is legal for J and AXS. It's not fair (right), but the rules are black and white.

[racerchic3z]

Everyone who has questionable rings better be able to prove they are Mercury, regardless of how old or new they are.

I hope the J Committee clarifies this rule for the 2009 season.



Stacy Runne for J Committee 2009

[Cameraboy]

Oh-oh; I'm outta popcorn

Anybody ready to name names so we know which group of kids are going to get screwed?

This cloak and dagger s*** is fascinating - reminds me of the unlimiteds

[wdlong1226]

kids

just to do something like that to a kid is horrible 2CENTS PLUS TAX

[reed28n]

Stock Outboard Commission

The Stock Outboard Commission will follow this recommendation for the Mercury 15 hp used in A Stock.

Please be reminded that this has nothing to do with the path the J Castegory will take with the J or AX motors.

The Stock Tech manual says the following.

9. It is permissible to use Genuine Mercury oversized pistons and rings.

There is nothing stating what year or hp the ring needs to be from. But it does have to be a Mercury ring.

Since the rings do not have a distinguishable part number. We are recommending the following.

If there is a piston ring in question the driver will have to produce a like ring and a matching part number with appropriate parts book issued by Mercury.



This of course will be only for Stock.


This path was supported by 9 of your commissioners with one abstaining and 4 not voting in favor or opposed.

[Dave M]

Kids

That is what MOD and Pro is for...for the guys that want to tinker inside their engines. Stock should be stock. (not saying it is)

As for go get some of those rings...well if they truely are old 1960 rings how the heck are most people going to get them??????????????????

And if they are not they are old mercury rings then they are NOT legal!

As Matt said, they know of one engine that did not have legal rings in it.

Don,

Is your intent to force the Mod parents to race stock ? This is what you you intend ? I agree with you, the J class as it is belongs in the stock category and not as its own category. It is stock in every way.

As for the kids, they only have good intentions. Perhaps we should fine the parents and let the kids finish where they finish ? Fine the parents $1000.00 for every motor DQ. This should wake some up and abide by the rules. This will allow the kids to enjoy the glory somewhat and also impose a penalty to the real culprit. I know if I was a J parent and paid for a fast J engine to be built, then got fined a grand, you bet that builder would be getting a visit.

I feel for all those who can't send their engines to someone and get the good rings installed. Any Joe Blow Marina could do it, as well as just about any tinkerer. I only wish more parents would get involved with their kids in boat racing. Today it seems so much a buy and go operation with no real skill involved. Perhaps if both kid and parent took some time to learn how to work on the equipment together and be rewarded with the fact they have accomplished something usung their own mind and body. It is very rewarding, at least to me, and it might even get the kids away from the video games more often and become active. It might also drive passion for the sport.

Just my 2 cents. Not intended to offend anyone, just stating what I see more often than not.

[Ascencio Racing]

Thanks!

I would like to thank all who responded to this thread. I hate when folks toss there passion/opinion in the class I run and don't race the class or have any intention too (I know, sounds mean, just a pet peeve of mine) ) So I have kind of just watched as you folks posted here since my kids are a few years away. My observation is the rule is clearly way to gray (given the fact people seem to know what rings we are all talking about and nobody with catagory authority has chimed in and said "Jim Bobs rings he installed are/are not legal" It seems to be easy to say "they are legal, here is his number go get some if you can find them" or "No they aren't, you need to run these, these are legal." ) I will leave with this question for y'all. If you know who is running tech for the class at Nationals, will that person tell us if he/she will DQ the motor with the rings, or simply tell us what his/her interpitation of the rule is? Hopefully this is cleared up for next year, but for this year, are they legal? A yes/no anwer is the goal here, no argument regarding intent or quoting the rule book is allowed. (that was all done in the above posts and we still don't know if the parts are legal ) Thanks folks. Stay safe and have a great Nationals!

[Big Don]

Don,


As for the kids, they only have good intentions. Perhaps we should fine the parents and let the kids finish where they finish ? Fine the parents $1000.00 for every motor DQ. This should wake some up and abide by the rules. This will allow the kids to enjoy the glory somewhat and also impose a penalty to the real culprit. I know if I was a J parent and paid for a fast J engine to be built, then got fined a grand, you bet that builder would be getting a visit.

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Dave not a bad idea other than the fact that you and I would be hurt pretty bad by a 1000.00 fine while others would be willing to pay the 1000.00 if it meant their kid winning.

[14-H]

Just ask one question - "Which group of kids shall we screw?"

Right: The ones who had engines built by people who actually read the rules; or the ones who had engines built by people who assumed they knew what the rules meant according to what the rules do not say.

Easy question, in my mind.

[14-H]

I***
I think it is dead wrong to allow the rings in question to be allowed. **.

Which rings are you talking about, the ones that the rule book says are legal?

BTW: the D issue is totally different. The tech manual was printed in error and it was well more than just a few weeks before the nationals that the error was corrected. There is no error in what is printed in the J tech rules.

[14-H]

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Since the rings do not have a distinguishable part number. We are recommending the following.

If there is a piston ring in question the driver will have to produce a like ring and a matching part number with appropriate parts book issued by Mercury.

***

This is absolutely outrageous! This has never been required at any inspection in the SO Category. What has been allowed, and what is specifically spelled out in our rules is that the inspector is permitted to compare the competitor's part to new parts in order to assess whether the part is a legal one.

This business about requiring the driver to produce a similar part along with a tech manual has never been required, is not part of the rules and constitutes a rule change within one week of the National Championships. FOUL!

[14-H]

Wrong!

Yes Mark
I think I even remember Eddie posting that the INTENT of the rule was to not allow anything but 1:1 gears. therefor the rule had to be changed to meet the INTENT of the rule

Absolutely wrong Kevin! Go back and read my posts; they are in the public domain. What I said was that the SORC specifically excluded, by majority vote, the gears that were at issue. The publisher of the tech manual simply forgot to remove those gears from the manufacturer's specs when they were reprinted in the SO tech manual.

I said nothing about the intent. I only said that the tech manual had an error in it and that it did not reflect the actual vote of the SORC.

I'll say it again: there is no such error here with the J Rings.