MY thoughts on the Mini Most

[immulmen]

It does not have to be a "Minimost" How about a 25hp Tohatsu on a v hull. I don't know about his 60mph but look at this post.

http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forum...highlight=25hp

Chris

[aojesus]

Am I mistaken or is the minimost concept for kids starting at 6 years old? I think I read that some where.

Doug,
The concept a while back was for families who couldn't afford expensive stuff to let their kids try the sport. The concept was never about racing, rather it was planned as a place where kids could spend time with family building and driving and get comfortable in the sport. The main focus was a safe, affordable, and fun way for kids to get introduced to the sport.

Would it work at a big event where time was an issue? I doubt it.

Would it work at an event where there was time in the schedule? Certainly. Run it as a local club special event.

As time went on several guys built Mini Mosts to put their antique fishing motors on so they could play. I doubt we will ever see a 24 hours of Dayton for the Mini Most, but a safe, simple, and affordable training class is not a bad concept.

[Silas_53A]

sry about the double post... had a lil computer issue...


and i do realise my name doesnt make sense... haha DRS Runabout... but w/e

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[PopPop]

Time!! WOW!! What a concept. Where do we find it in scheduals that have a hard time finishing up on Saturday and we run one heat racing on Sunday. I like the idea of minimost but we have a lot more issues to address before we fit in.

[Silas_53A]

And the high prices of everything leaves out the average kid and adult.
You guys sound like a bunch of winey cry babys thinking some simple boat is going to taint you're faternity of (whatever). I want to spark interest in a hobby sport and the cheapest way to do it.

I guess you high rollers don't shop at Wallmart.

website to these boats
http://www.muskokaseaflea.ca/

Sounds like you hit the nail on the head.... My father picked up a CSR built in 1975 last year, we were given a 1969 johnson 25hp, with a stock 9x12 prop we reached speeds of 40mph the engine was over reving and we needed a prop with more pitch... that motor had a cooling problem and fried, so we bought a running replacement engine for $50 (bad lower unit) along with a 9x14 stainless prop from ebay... so now with a grand total of $800 we will have a 45mph+ runabout... about the same price as a C class lower unit and speeds in excess of the j class hydros... How much is a running johnson/evinrude 15hp race motor?? $1,500-$2,500??? plus another $2,500 on boat/equip. just to see if you are interested at the age of 15???

I don't think "hey dad, can i have $6,000 so i can race a boat?" is going to go over well.

I am definitely interested in boat racing and i understand that the minimost may not be the desired solution. from the sound of it this sport needs a lil jump start. But it seems if you are unwilling to dump $6,000+ in racing equipment nobody want to listen to you. Seems everyone just turns their noses up at you and ignores you.

In my mind this idea has absolutely no place in racing, the key word here is "racing" we already have ASX - ASH & A Runabout, anyone wanting to go any slower has no business in racing! anything slower then the current "A" or "J" classes is a complete waste of time!

In Texas there is a class were you take a fiberglass tri-hull boat, which you can find for free as long as you pull it off the owners property, and throw a stock 70hp johnson and a 'roll cage' around the driver and thats all... will go faster then the "A" or "J" class and about third the price...

I think the point of this thread was not that "There Should Be A Mini-Most Class" but that there should be a more affordable class(es) that people with a interest can decide if they want to build on that interest or not. And there is more then one reasonable way to build that interest.


This is a quote from the site posted by immulmen...

"Here in Australia we have a stock 25hp class (grait low cost racing) mainly consisting of mono's. Here is one of my "Wingboats" that I build, designd to trap air under the hull. You can go racing for around $1900.00 US and these do speeds around 60mph."

that sounds awsome... if we had a class like that here in Maine I would 100% be entering in that class.... but starting in college next november I dont have $6,000 to drop in racing, but i can tell you right now i could squeez out around $2,000 to get into racing....

[HRTV]

Sounds like you hit the nail on the head.... My father picked up a CSR built in 1975 last year, we were given a 1969 johnson 25hp, with a stock 9x12 prop we reached speeds of 40mph the engine was over reving and we needed a prop with more pitch... that motor had a cooling problem and fried, so we bought a running replacement engine for $50 (bad lower unit) along with a 9x14 stainless prop from ebay... so now with a grand total of $800 we will have a 45mph+ runabout... about the same price as a C class lower unit and speeds in excess of the j class hydros... How much is a running johnson/evinrude 15hp race motor?? $1,500-$2,500??? plus another $2,500 on boat/equip. just to see if you are interested at the age of 15???

I don't think "hey dad, can i have $6,000 so i can race a boat?" is going to go over well.

I am definitely interested in boat racing and i understand that the minimost may not be the desired solution. from the sound of it this sport needs a lil jump start. But it seems if you are unwilling to dump $6,000+ in racing equipment nobody want to listen to you. Seems everyone just turns their noses up at you and ignores you.



In Texas there is a class were you take a fiberglass tri-hull boat, which you can find for free as long as you pull it off the owners property, and throw a stock 70hp johnson and a 'roll cage' around the driver and thats all... will go faster then the "A" or "J" class and about third the price...

I think the point of this thread was not that "There Should Be A Mini-Most Class" but that there should be a more affordable class(es) that people with a interest can decide if they want to build on that interest or not. And there is more then one reasonable way to build that interest.


This is a quote from the site posted by immulmen...

"Here in Australia we have a stock 25hp class (grait low cost racing) mainly consisting of mono's. Here is one of my "Wingboats" that I build, designd to trap air under the hull. You can go racing for around $1900.00 US and these do speeds around 60mph."

that sounds awesome... if we had a class like that here in Maine I would 100% be entering in that class....

DSR,

Welcome to HR, I hate to greet you with such a negative post but you are crazy if you think racing anything in the J-A classes is expensive, I could buy a top notch ASH rig complete with motor for $4500 or less no trailer needed, put it on a roof rack or in the back of a pick up truck and have the time of my life!

[Silas_53A]

as you might have been able to tell by my post i am new to boat racing, infact i havent raced before.... 4500 is still HIGH and (1500+2500=4000, 2500+2500=5000, so my 4000-5000 price range is "crazy"?!?!), correct me if i am wronge, but j classes have a age limit if 15-16, and i am 19. As for the "A" class, you could build a top notch 25hp stock outboard rig for HALF the price... with parts 10x easier to get... And i dont mean a BRAND-NEW merc/johnson/evin. 25 I mean a 60's-80's or so.

It sounds to me like if you are unwilling to go for the fullly decked out race set up, then no one cares.... If i was able to enter some club foot racing class for under $2,000 then i have almost no doubt i would eventually work my way up, but i cant justify or afford (and im not alone) to drop even $4,500 in a sport i have never tried just to see if its something i am interested in.

I don't want to be argumentative, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, i just believe there are cheaper options, without sacrificing the all precious 'speed', to get people who are interested in this sport a chance to give it a try.

[FL47F]

The IDEA or motive behind the minimost plan may not be to introduce a new class or a new division to APBA but to offer an inexpensive option through a different door.

The idea is to steer the mindset towards an opportunity to racing.

The $4500.00 referred to as inexpensive may not be that much to someone who is determined to get into the sport, but it’s a huge chunk of change to the guy and his son who drives up to watch someone test at a lake and starts flooding you with questions.

Like any sales strategy, FIRST, Get them an inexpensive ride, some support, an interest, and a little time and you have a much better chance on selling them on the whole program.

My last question before I got back into racing was how much would it cost to get started. The answer was “I will give you a boat and motor for $900.00” (Racecraft, Y80) and your ready to go in AOF. Had the answer been $4500.00or even $2500.00 for that matter I would not be racing now. I have since spent thousands.

Any idea that opens a door for someone to participate in and be a part of the fun we have is a GOOD IDEA.

[HRTV]

as you might have been able to tell by my post i am new to boat racing, infact i havent raced before.... 4500 is still HIGH and, correct me if i am wronge, but j classes have a age limit if 15-16, and i am 19. As for the "A" class, you could build a top notch 25hp stock outboard rig for HALF the price... with parts 10x easier to get... And i dont mean a BRAND-NEW merc/johnson/evin. 25 I mean a 60's-80's or so.

It sounds to me like if you are unwilling to go for the fullly decked out race set up, then no one cares.... If i was able to enter some club foot racing class for under $2,000 then i have almost no doubt i would eventually work my way up, but i cant justify or afford (and im not alone) to drop even $4,500 in a sport i have never tried just to see if its something i am interested in.

I don't want to be argumentative, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, i just believe there are cheaper options, without sacrificing the all precious 'speed', to get people who are interested in this sport a chance to give it a try.

I understand that you are new but I don't think some of you young guys understand the cost of racing be it for a brand new young kid or a 55 year old adult. Racing is not cheap! no matter if it is at the entry level classes or full blown pro!

I hear what you are saying and I understand your point, lets say you find this $2000 rig, what good will it do you if you have no money left over to travel ? buying the gear is just the first step, if you have no budget to travel and race what's the point ?

Racing takes a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I am a bit lost on why everyone is so afraid to tell new guys this ? I am not telling you this to scare you away but to let you know that buying a cheap rig is not the whole story.

You will thank me later for not sugar coating it and misleading you. Other's will disagree with my approach, sugar coat it sell you all there junk and watch you run dead last!

[FL47F]

Dan,

Let me put it a different way, only to overstate my point.

Crack addicts are always broke but the're devoted to their cause and somehow come up with the money to paticipate.

Most of them started out with a less expensive means to there goal.

[HRTV]

Dan,

Let me put it a different way, only to overstate my point.

Crack addicts are always broke but the're devoted to their cause and somehow come up with the money to paticipate.

Most of them started out with a less expensive means to there goal.

Watch it Bob are you calling me a crack addict

[Silas_53A]

that is a truely valid point... but if you had a dozen or two people with these $2000 dollar rigs, then there wouldnt be much traveling other then to a couple local ponds... With pro racing people travel from New England to florida to california... but if i only had to travel a state or two i could make it a 1 or 2 day event... maybe 5-10 years down the road if i got serious enough about racing then i could start traveling to these pro events... but anything in the 200 mile radius is easily done... maybe even 250-300 for a race or two.


Bob has manage to put that in a quit humorous way...


There is a local stock car race track called Beach Ridge. For $1000 i can get a car ready and race there once a week all summer, every year... For racing boats, i understand your point of view, traveling state to state and staying in hotels and so on. but if i was racing at a local pondi could sleep in my car, or in a tent ( i like camping... hehehe) at some local camp ground and thats only if i HAD to stay overnight.

[mercguy]

Watch it Bob are you calling me a crack addict

DING DING.................round 2 (or is it 3,4, or 5?)!

[HRTV]

DING DING.................round 2 (or is it 3,4, or 5?)!

Tonights referee all the way from Washington, State is Mr. Daren Goehring AKA Mercguy lets have a clean fight gentlemen no hitting below the belt all though Bob did call me a crack addict Just having fun with you Bob I do understand your point.

[mercguy]

Tonights referee all the way from Washington, State is Mr. Daren Goehring AKA Mercguy lets have a clean fight gentlemen no hitting below the belt all though Bob did call me a crack addict Just having fun with Bob I do understand your point.

oh...............no you don't! I AIN'T part of this ho-down (yes, I did mispell it.....teach)................I enjoy sittin back now and watchin from the sidelines (crowd).........