MY thoughts on the Mini Most

[ricochet112]

Actually the dealer is a boat racer and is offering them at his cost. Which is something like $600 something. Not sure on exact cost.
I know for a fact who Tony has talked to and it is more than a dealer because I talked to them also. We have had several meetings in MIlwaukee. Own time, own money. But who cares. This mini-most thread has given boat racing more exposure in 4 days than we usually get in months. Kind of funny really. If you want an engine at that cost please email Carl Staron through Tony at:
toeknee33f@aol.com (Carl has his own email but I don't know it)
He can fill you in.
A dumped motor on a mini most, or an old antique motor on a mini most. Doesn't seem that important to me for something, (as I said in a previous post) is just an "activity." No different than apple bobbing or wagon races before or after a race. The concept is for fun only. If we get some new blood to the sport because of it, wow, let's be happy about that.
Connie

I just gave you ACTUAL DEALER cost it's $747.97! Here's proof. As far as who you talked to, it definitely wasn't "the B&S factory" it was a dealer or distributer, get your story straight. B&S doesn't sell direct to the public, so if someone was selling a B&S outboard it was a dealer or distributer, plain and simple. So none of your "story" holds any water. But you posted earlier that anyone can buy a B&S for $600!!!! This proves my point and tarnishes your credibility.

This is closer to what one would pay for a "new" one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/5-HP-...spagenameZWD1V

[Silas_53A]

Sam+Dan, you cannot deny the logic in having low cost local class, whether it be a mini GT, Mini-most, tri-hull ext. It WOULD bring in new people, some of those people WILL build on their new hobby and eventually enter pro classes, and it IS a life line that, sound to me, this sport definitely needs.

Do you have to enter in this class? no. Will it ever take up precious time at pro races? doubt it. Should it be a APBA supported local event? many believe so.

Just because you guys don't want anything to do with it, doesn't mean you have the power/right to tell people it wont, it can't, and you wont let it happen.

I just can't believe how you guys don't see the logic in it...

[HRTV]

Ok, so i spend $4,000 on a rig, but if i am limited to 300 mile radius that leaves about 4-5 races i can make it to? I cant drive to Florida, California, Texas, Michigan. But if once a week there was a race in say a hours drive, then dropping even 4k on a set up would be more reasonable, but thats still leaving out gear. Weekly local races would definitely spike numbers, but in order to bring up the number you need to attract new members, and with the only option being $4,500 people will still be deferred...but at less then half, say $2,000, you ARE going to see a significant increase in numbers.

And People from this starter class ARE going build on their new hobby and work their way up to the pro classes.

You guys are full it! check out the cover banner photo at the top of HR thats little Wendy Elderge in the boat #F4 I could be wrong but I don't think Wendy is 19. Come on guys get real and be men! you say your 19 my god what are going to do with a MiniMost ? with a 5hp motor on it ? step up to the plate and buy your self a god used ASH or 20SSH rig and join the fun!

[HRTV]

Sam+Dan, you cannot deny the logic in having low cost local class, whether it be a mini GT, Mini-most, tri-hull ext. It WOULD bring in new people, some of those people WILL build on their new hobby and eventually enter pro classes, and it IS a life line that, sound to me, this sport definitely needs.

Do you have to enter in this class? no. Will it ever take up precious time at pro races? doubt it. Should it be a APBA supported local event? many believe so.

Just because you guys don't want anything to do with it, doesn't mean you have the power/right to tell people it wont, it can't, and you wont let it happen.

I just can't believe how you guys don't see the logic in it...

There is no logic! you say your 19 correct ? stop crying about these low end slow classes and buy your self a used ASH or even better 20SSH if you are a big guy and go racing! look at Abby Pond and little Wendy Elderge on the front cover photo at the top of the site. #24-E & F-4 these are young girls!

[Silas_53A]

yeah you're right, i should save up 4k so i can get a ash setup so i can go to 3-4 local races next year... good idea, thnk for the advice.

how about i spend 2k on a mini gt and go to weekly local races...

Ever play on a dart team?? well in my devision there are 3 local bars each one has several teams out of them, every tuesday we look at the schedule, if we are home we go to a home bar, if we are away, we go to the home bar of the team we are playing. You could do the same thing with local boat racing, have 3 to 5 ponds/lakes and have a weekly schedule set up so you know were you are racing every week right from the get go. there are no national, who ever wins that season wins... they might get a wind breaker or something. but if one of these teams is good enough they could move on to better pro circuts......

[HRTV]

yeah you're right, i should save up 4k so i can get a ash setup so i can go to 3-4 local races next year... good idea, thnk for the advice.

You can race ASH just about every weekend all over the country, wait thats right you cat afford to leave home so we are right back to square one " you cant afford to race" you want all the races to be right in your back yard, good luck with that one.

[Silas_53A]

yeah, you make a comment on that part, but COMPLETELY ignore the rest of the post.

How many people have the time and money to travel across the country, state to state, all summer???? not many and the number is dropping, isnt that the point of this thread? and then someone like you steps in and says if you are a middle class American, then you have no right to race, only the elite, rich, and retired have the right. You have this attitude of 'How dare you taint my beautiful high-end racing sport with these old, club foot stock outboards and heavy obsolete boats. Don't talk to me about these slow pointless cheap boats because my $2,000 15hp johnson will match your $400 25hp johnson'.

[sam]

Dan, I've raced a few heats of A hydro ... it is not for me, the ride is too rough for my brittle old bones ... the same is probably true for a lot of other people who would like to race.

Sam+Dan, you cannot deny the logic in having low cost local class, whether it be a mini GT, Mini-most, tri-hull ext.

I don't know why you include me in that comment, I do advocate the Mini GT class. TriHull on the other hand is already on the death track. Once it was open to various motors and used boats, but is falling into a single motor, new boat class. The original claimer rule has been altered and there are calls for it to be further altered or removed (people started using the claim rule and the crying was immediate, as if they never expected it).

You could do the same thing with local boat racing, have 3 to 5 ponds/lakes and have a weekly schedule set up so you know were you are racing every week right from the get go

If you own a lake we can race on, that would work (it would be just about every boat racer's fantasy) ... otherwise I doubt anyone could get permits & permission to use any water on a weekly basis; there is too much competition for recreational water usage. Finding water that we can race on even once a year has become a major chore and is part of the current boat racing reality.

[HRTV]

yeah, you make a comment on that part, but COMPLETELY ignore the rest of the post.

How many people have the time and money to travel across the country, state to state, all summer???? not many and the number is dropping, isnt that the point of this thread? and then someone like you steps in and says if you are a middle class American, then you have no right to race, only the elite, rich, and retired have the right. You have this attitude of 'How dare you taint my beautiful high-end racing sport with these old, club foot stock outboards and heavy obsolete boats. Don't talk to me about these slow pointless cheap boats because my $2,000 15hp johnson will match your $400 25hp johnson'.

Here we go again and its only because you have no idea what you are talking about! Stock Outboard racing is made up of middle class Americans, its not a rich mans sports it is the complete opposite. Forget about everything I have said here, just show up at a race next year and find out the truth for your self. Or you can keep *****ing about trying to find something slow and affordable on HR.

[sam]

How many people have the time and money to travel across the country, state to state, all summer???? not many and the number is dropping,

I do not believe the number is dropping at all ... the BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac, Jaguar & Harley dealers are doing very well in most areas, in my area they are all building new bigger sales floors ... so are the RV dealerships ... $40k to $400K a pop

[sam]

Stock Outboard racing is made up of middle class Americans, its not a rich mans sports it is the complete opposite.

That depends on what your definition of middle class and rich are ...

Racing is probably unaffordable for most of the KMart/Walmart "working class" crowd

[PopPop]

I do not believe the number is dropping at all ... the BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac, Jaguar & Harley dealers are doing very well in most areas, in my area they are all building new bigger sales floors ... so are the RV dealerships ... $40k to $400K a pop

The number is probably not dropping. They are going to Jet-Ski races, Go-Cart races, Moto-Cross races, etc., etc., etc..... Races where you can buy new manufactured equipment and start with some off-the-shelf, Box-Stock rig.

[immulmen]

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[Silas_53A]

sry to include you sam, there are 9 pages of post and i read the wrong name.

You are right dan, i know close to nothing on the topic. But i do know that with the classes available in my area are, at this time, not the right ones for many people, whether its because of time, travel, or money.

My point is if there is enough people who have this same problem then something local can be done. but, it will not only will it bring people like me and my father into the sport of boat racing, but it will attract future people who would have been otherwise turned off of boat racing due to those requirements.

Sorry i have wasted your time with my 'crying', '*****ing', and 'sad story' but talking to you is like arguing with a 12 year old. 'you are right, your way is the ONLY way, and everyone else is wrong.'

[DougMc]

You are right dan, i know close to nothing on the topic. But i do know that with the classes available in my area are, at this time, not the right ones for many people, whether its because of time, travel, or money.

My point is if there is enough people who have this same problem then something local can be done. but, it will not only will it bring people like me and my father into the sport of boat racing, but it will attract future people who would have been otherwise turned off of boat racing due to those requirements.

Sorry i have wasted your time with my 'crying', '*****ing', and 'sad story' but talking to you is like arguing with a 12 year old. 'you are right, your way is the ONLY way, and everyone else is wrong.'

You seem to have some strong leadership ideas from your postings. Put together a club and define the class as you propose and put on a race. Get with the local Cub Scout troops and issue a challenge to each of the local dens on who can build the fastest Minimost. Also challenge which den can build the best looking Minimost. Give them a due date and race date for the Soap Box Derby on water. Try AOF or NBRA if APBA won't sanction the race as a local special event. Pick up the ball and run with your idea. Get're done!

As far as cost of getting started in APBA, I hear one can buy a new O'Conner Hydro in Maine at a very affordable price. I'm told he can build one within seven days. I saw Dudley Malone advertising two Yamato 80 motors for $1,000 each. Order an O'Conner, or find a good used one locally, and buy one of Dudely's motors. For less than $3k you are on the water with a newish rig and would be competitive.

I was able to race during my High School years with no help from my parents other than of course they fed and housed me. I bought a good used Tecraft from Cronk, a used Yamato 80 and a prop. The rig ran with the best of them. How did I get to races? I tied the boat on top of a VW Rabbit and slept in the car at night. It can be done. And I did it all working nights at Wendy's. I still have nightmares about, "Welcome to Wendy's may I take your order please."