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**wetrider** · 05-11-2005, 07:41 AM

Only - 500

I know im Stupider than that

**Dave_E71** · 05-11-2005, 08:33 AM

I think she is adding some for artistic interpretation.

1] How falling out of boats is scored

In 2004, the International Flipping Union voted to completely change the way flipping is scored, abandoning the traditional 6.0 ordinal system for a new system called the "Code of Points". The general idea behind the Code of Points system is that every aspect of the flip is marked individually.

Technical elements attempted by the flippers are identified by a paid technical specialist, informally known as the "caller". The judges then assign a "grade of execution" (GoE) to each element. A table in the rulebook determines the base value of each element and the deduction or bonus corresponding to the GoE value.

The judges also assign five overall "program components" scores on a 10.0 scale, for Flipping Skills, Transitions, Performance/Execution, Choreography, and Interpretation. In theory, these are also supposed to correspond to specific criteria, but in practice, the judges have so far shown themselves unable to distinguish these criteria and have simply used the program components as a subjective valuation of the program, or to fiddle the ranking of the flippers as they did under the old ordinal system.

A secret and anonymous random subset of the judges on the panel is chosen by the scoring computer. Of the selected judges, for each element and program component, the high and low marks are discarded and the remaining marks are averaged. The flippers are ranked by their total scores.

The singles and pair events each have two parts, the barrel roll and the blow over. Both programs are scored similarly and require the flippers to complete a list of required elements; the difference is only in the altitude and number of shoes the flipper arrives on shore with.

Scoring for stuffing is similar, except that flippers do one or two compulsory flips selected from a set that rotates yearly and an original flip to conditions that also change each year, as well as a free flip. In stuffing, the "program components" are slightly different, and the marks are multiplied by various weighting factors instead of all being given equal weight.

**wetrider** · 05-11-2005, 08:37 AM

Yea I,ll give you a free flip, Way to cool you can go back to work now

**Check-book** · 05-11-2005, 04:33 PM

Hmmmmm

Sorta like a bruise contest, eh, E-71????????????? Points for acquisition, location, position, and explanation.
Checkbook

**Mark 72@E** · 05-12-2005, 10:00 AM

Score This

Dave_E71,

Three thoughts:

A) You have way too much time on your hands.

2) I enjoyed reading every word of your post above.

d) Since flip scoring may be a tad subjective, please help us all by sharing the scoring on this portion of his flip. I know it's not a perfect score because, although it could be argued that the boat >>is<< completely out of the water (I have the benefit of zooming in on the original), parts of the skeg and propeller are obviously not.

**Dr. Thunder** · 05-12-2005, 11:00 AM

Won't be a perfect 10!

Flip clearly over-rotated resulting in non-vertical lift ... significant point deduction ... flip did not clear water ... more points lost ... judges in background clearly were not the least bit impressed with flip effort ...

This may have been a practice flip ... no scoring would apply!

**Dave_E71** · 05-12-2005, 11:57 AM

My take on scoring "El Stupido" (name changed to protect the wet person and I'm wearing a sombrero) known hereafter as ES

Deductions as follows,
1) ES was still on the throttle well into the maneuver, as evidenced by water coming off the propeller

-1.5

2) ES's timing was off when he initiated the maneuver, the boat is rotating around the longitudinal axis which also indicates balance problems

-2.0

3) While he did stick the landing, there were points deducted because ES not only broke the cowling and sponson but also bent the steering wheel

-2.75

*Judges Bonus*
1) Having the guts to perform the maneuver in front of the judges stand AND his mother

+1.25

using the new scoring method,

10 - 1.5 - 2.0 - 2.75 +1.25 = 5.0

factoring in the multiplier as directed by ES's special friend (I think I'm in trouble for this

)

5.0 * -100 = -500

so now you see how his score was tabulated, other factors do come in to play in scoring flips and they are (but not limited to) as follows.
1) it's cold and I get wet getting your boat out of the water - major deduction
2) you broke the boat and I have to help repair / repair it - major deduction
3) I have to paint the borrowed boat you broke - deduction
4) I have to dry out your motor - minor deduction
5) I have to load your stuff in the trailer because you're in surgery - minor deduction

**Dave M** · 05-13-2005, 07:00 AM

I vote to Implement this Method !

This is funny, good stuff guys, thanks for the laughs, I would love to see this on all our stupid moments this year.

**Leeann** · 05-13-2005, 02:29 PM

Hey, Dave:

Don't forget another factor:
6. Your boat weighs 3 tons underwater and I pull muscles getting your boat out of the water (remember Sam's dunking?).

**Jeff5P** · 05-14-2005, 05:49 AM

Dave,

I want to protest!!!!! There was an error in the scoring for ES:

1) We hunted and chased snakes for 2 days prior to this incident so he should get definite major bonus points for even going into the water here!

2) I dried the darn motor out so no deduction is allowed for this.....me thinks the judge is biased!

Also the scoring for this flip was not posted within 1 hour of final inspection so I don't think it is legal. Judges' stand may have been impaired by consumption of adult beverage....Ian, that means booze...

I believe a rescore is in order.

**Dave_E71** · 05-14-2005, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Jeff5P

Dave,

I want to protest!!!!! There was an error in the scoring for ES:

Mr Williams, I eagerly await the mail each day looking for the protest fee

Originally posted by Jeff5P

1) We hunted and chased snakes for 2 days prior to this incident so he should get definite major bonus points for even going into the water here!

Although concern for the safety of fellow racers is admirable, trying to influence the judges by playing "snake hunter" is not something to brag about in such a public forum and could bring further sanctions by the IFU

Originally posted by Jeff5P

2) I dried the darn motor out so no deduction is allowed for this.....me thinks the judge is biased!

You are correct, I mistranslated rule 7.4967 section 45, it should have been
"other factors MAY come in to play in scoring flips and they are (but not limited to) as follows.". I sometimes have trouble when transcibing the rules from the original language, as you must know, the first president of the IFU,
Oooh Maximus Airus, was not the best at written explanations

Originally posted by Jeff5P

Also the scoring for this flip was not posted within 1 hour of final inspection so I don't think it is legal. Judges' stand may have been impaired by consumption of adult beverage....Ian, that means booze...

Now you have gone too far Mister Williams, by impuning the honesty and sobriety of the judges you call into question the intregrity of the entire IFU. Indeed the scoring of the flip was slightly delayed while "ES's special friend" regained her composure, but it was scored and duly witnessed within the time limit stated in rule 47.846 section 39.

Originally posted by Jeff5P

I believe a rescore is in order.

As do I!
Your points in CMR were recomputed and now stand at -537 (the additional 37 point penalty is because you're a pain in Marys butt too), any other questions?

As always, your friend
Dave

**Jeff5P** · 05-15-2005, 06:20 AM

Dave,

I will hand carry my protest fee to Millville and give it to Checkbook.

Safety factor is valid when you hide brown snakes in brown water with floating islands and weeds and roots everywhere.

"Other factor" rule 7.4967, Section 45 - I knew something was amiss when I saw "The Ruling Judge" carrying 5 gallon jugs of clear, funky-smelling liquid in his trailer.

Your points for 250 cch have also been recomputed as you tried the same maneuver as ES but you were not scored on any style or form points and you even lost points for not finishing the maneuver. New total - 538 (that's because you are also a pain in Mary's butt!)

**Bill Huson** · 05-15-2005, 03:36 PM

Wait a sec!

I thought Gary Pond was the official Region 4 snake hunter. I heard Gary likes to catch them alive barehanded!

**Dave_E71** · 05-16-2005, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Jeff5P

Dave,
I will hand carry my protest fee to Millville and give it to Checkbook.

I guess I'll never see that money.....

Originally posted by Jeff5P

Safety factor is valid when you hide brown snakes in brown water with floating islands and weeds and roots everywhere.

And your point is? Were you planning on falling out of the boat? I believe an investigation is in order, premeditated flipping is strictly prohibited and punishment can include, manditory ASR rides, help Sam put his FEH in (and out of) the water for the entire race weekend, adopt Brian and call him son......oh wait, I guess we all have our cross to bear

Originally posted by Jeff5P

"Other factor" rule 7.4967, Section 45 - I knew something was amiss when I saw "The Ruling Judge" carrying 5 gallon jugs of clear, funky-smelling liquid in his trailer.

Excuse me, but that was gin for the judges stand

Originally posted by Jeff5P

Your points for 250 cch have also been recomputed as you tried the same maneuver as ES but you were not scored on any style or form points and you even lost points for not finishing the maneuver. New total - 538 (that's because you are also a pain in Mary's butt!)

You insult me sir, the flip ES performed is covered in Flipping 101, "Basic blowovers". Mine was the far more difficult "barrel roll in the straight with a half twist aiming at the pier". I am applying for a retabulation of the scoring to include the post incident report.
The report will include xrays and two doctors diagnosis. I see the neurologist this afternoon and am interested to see if their findings will affect the scoring in any way.

Dave

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