Don't let Region 6 kill Sidewinder

[25xs seeya!]

Todd,
I don't remember being too busy to get the would out of the trailer. If that's the case, then I apologize for that.

That could be why now we just unpack by throwing everything on the ground when we get to the race.

Mike

What if it rains?? Lol........

[gabengail]

I got back in after 40 year this year and the fact that I could order a 302 and run in two classes was a great motivator for getting back in. I favor 20SW in 25SSH. I would buy one then.
Am just getting competitive, took 3 or 4 races to get there with a lot of testing. Have to admit, having raced in the late sixties when classes were designed around cubic inches, it was a little confusing to understand the classes and how engines got in each now. Having said that, I here for a few years, looking forward to bumping boats with the best of them in CSH and 20SSH. Who knows maybe in 25SSH or may be DSH in the future. 103C

[daveracerdsh]

Stock

Well Gabe.....as you can see, nothing has changed from the 60's and 70's. People still can't look beyond what is in their trailer box motor wise. Nothing will change until we change the way we do things. Very sad in my opinion. 20 years from now when the EPA has shut down all 2 cycle imports from overseas we are gonna go.....what did we do wrong. What on earth did we do wrong.. Think about it boys and girls...think about it.

[25xs seeya!]

Todd,
I don't remember being too busy to get the would out of the trailer. If that's the case, then I apologize for that.

That could be why now we just unpack by throwing everything on the ground when we get to the race.

Mike

No problem mike, it really doesn't matter anyway, we have no plans to return to the mess of stock outboard racing, but it's fun to watch it " burn in" here on hydroracer

[25xs seeya!]

Well Gabe.....as you can see, nothing has changed from the 60's and 70's. People still can't look beyond what is in their trailer box motor wise. Nothing will change until we change the way we do things. Very sad in my opinion. 20 years from now when the EPA has shut down all 2 cycle imports from overseas we are gonna go.....what did we do wrong. What on earth did we do wrong.. Think about it boys and girls...think about it.

Dave, not that it matters,,, because I've done nothing for the sport of boat racing, but way back when the sidewinder was still just a discussion, I suggested that we start looking to get a 4 stroke going, just for one class, but I got OOOoHhhh Noooooo, they will Never work,, well they will work, however the old die hards will kill the rest of "stock outboard" trying to rely on stuff like the SW.
Just my opinion, Wouldn't dad and Nintendo kid feel better about a turn key electric start, bullet proof 4 stroke and a carbon fiber hull rather than a old tech oil burner and a pile of toothpicks ???

[G Stillwill]

The four stroke was tried you must of forgot the Honda project or wasnt around then or just wasnt paying attention.

[Matt Dagostino]

And here we have it again!!

I got back in after 40 year this year and the fact that I could order a 302 and run in two classes was a great motivator for getting back in. I favor 20SW in 25SSH. I would buy one then.
Am just getting competitive, took 3 or 4 races to get there with a lot of testing. Have to admit, having raced in the late sixties when classes were designed around cubic inches, it was a little confusing to understand the classes and how engines got in each now. Having said that, I here for a few years, looking forward to bumping boats with the best of them in CSH and 20SSH. Who knows maybe in 25SSH or may be DSH in the future. 103C

This guy "gets it"...........the 20ssh class with the restricted 302 as the AVAILABLE and perceived Motor of Choice gives value and convenience by virtue of running in 2 competitive classes via a 20 dollar resrtictor plate!!

Also, having ONE AVAILABLE NEW (reconditioned) motor in a class provides clear direction. Brad, who cares 20 years later why the 302 Yamato was put in 20ssh?? Hell, it took on a life of it's own so to speak and has helped make 20ssh the biggest class in APBA and the easiest way for newer folks to get into boat racing or RETURN to boat racing like the 103-C. Gone are the days of 'one motor one class' but we can try at least as a Commission to provide a Motor Of Choice in our classes to provide a clear path moving forward!!

Tabor City, here we come!!

[B Walker]

BW,
Are you saying keep the Y80 and Y302?...or remove one? Or Both??

Mike

I have advocated to keep all 3 motors in the class but be very clear that the Sidewinder is the motor of choice and through a natural process of attrition let the Y-80 transition into the Mod Category

BW

[pav225]

Brad,
I think this may be what's causing some confusion. I don't recall it being called the motor of choice for 20ssH.

Mike

[25xs seeya!]

The four stroke was tried you must of forgot the Honda project or wasnt around then or just wasnt paying attention.

Hi George, the 4 strokes are way more advanced today, and yes I do believe that you could take one and stick a racing gear foot on one and a big prop, just gear it correctly, it doesn't matter the speed or size of the boat, as we can see in the 302ss class, it just takes equal rides to have fun.

I am a factor Of This thread going off topic, for that I apologize, my vote also would be to remove the SW From 20ssh, if it can't go into the B class than please don't stick it into 25ssh, let that class die all by itself, trying to run 25mercs with that SW would never work on many levels also why have another class to run and yes it is boring to watch 12 classes run all around the same speed, you can't tell the difference in a couple miles an hour from shore, correct ?

[Apachemax]

Not being a smarta$$...but I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Hi George, the 4 strokes are way more advanced today, and yes I do believe that you could take one and stick a racing gear foot on one and a big prop, just gear it correctly, it doesn't matter the speed or size of the boat, as we can see in the 302ss class, it just takes equal rides to have fun.

I am a factor Of This thread going off topic, for that I apologize, my vote also would be to remove the SW From 20ssh, if it can't go into the B class than please don't stick it into 25ssh, let that class die all by itself, trying to run 25mercs with that SW would never work on many levels also why have another class to run and yes it is boring to watch 12 classes run all around the same speed, you can't tell the difference in a couple miles an hour from shore, correct ?

Yamato developed a "402" model that was a four stroke, they gave up on it. I believe i heard that in the case that the motor gets submerged, the valves, camshaft, and other four-stroke components become useless.

[25xs seeya!]

Why would you submerge it??

[Apachemax]

Why would you submerge it??

Why would you put the carb on the side?

[daveracerdsh]

4 stroke

I think Yamato tried to put a pop off valve in the cylinder in case it went for a swim....Ric Montoya has mentioned that. Dave

[jpro60]

Brad,
I think this may be what's causing some confusion. I don't recall it being called the motor of choice for 20ssH.

Mike

...and who ever gave you and Don the authority to say that it isn't? But you guys have sure gone on a hell of a crusade and caused a hell of an unnecessary mess anyway.