Miss my old APBA class

[MGallagher]

Thanks Don, I thought Ed set it in his nephews boat. All I can say about that is that my brother was running about 1.5 to 2 off bobby at lock haven with his hot rod that has been falling off a bit. In no way am I saying my brothers hot rod runs 63, well maybe at lambertville ;-)

[Rich Runne]

The only thing that was competition set-up was the prop shaft height. Do you think that Bob Austin Jr and Senior would go and try to set a record
with his competition rig. Many hours in the shop working on boat, and at the lake testing. Hard work equals results,everyone that set records knows that.
Congratulations to all Record setters.

[D_Allen_III]

I agree

I agree Worm, there were a lot of tweeks and "appearance" changes to the rig, but the boat itself was not an ASR or a special "Kilo" or "1/4 boat" used only for the record runs.

From my recollection, the 1/4 mile records were to be set using "competition" boats that had previously been used during normal-short course or marathon racing. I hope the 1/4 records don't evolve into another kilo style record where you need to build a special boat in order to have a chance at the record. Set up changes and special propellers will obviously change, but using "kilo" boats for the 1/4 mile record runs goes against the intent of the records.

[brill27]

Were there any mod records set . I saw vidio of tj runing his 350cch.

[G Stillwill]

Bobby had a special prop to do just what they did that wasnt what they run in competition. All the Sidewinders ran great at New Martinsville

[14-H]

Daren,
Proof please?

Let's try reeds;

Let's try Lectron carburetor;

Let's try opening up by-pass passage way and carve on piston;

Let's try extra intake port;

Let's try Delardo carburetor;

Let's try intake sleeve;

Let's try new manifold;

Let's try adjustable needle...

What more proof need we?

[14-H]

Lets quit picking and get back to Dana's suggestion and think of ways to grow the sport...

Could you restrict a 20 ci Hot Rod and have it compete with the 20 ci Sidewinder? Then you could offer a new motor and a low cost option to get folks into the class.

Thoughts??

The Hot Rods should go to a 1" height restriction in BSR and the Sidewinders should be slowed down by either a smaller carb restrictor or increasing combustion volume. I would also lower the BSH height for Sidewinders to 1-3/8".

I do not think putting the 20 CID Hot Rod in is a good answer.

[MGallagher]

That's a lot of trying Edward. Follow the bouncing ball Ed and sing along. It will NEVER work and run consitantly is the proof in reference. Now get the dirt out of your filter and try again sir.

[14-H]

That's a lot of trying Edward. Follow the bouncing ball Ed and sing along. It will NEVER work and run consitantly is the proof in reference. Now get the dirt out of your filter and try again sir.

You sound like Jay Carney.

[runabout333]

Years ago, when I raced the BSH with a 20 c.i. Hot Rod, it was a large class,
having as many as 10 boats hit the water.. The specific club was Midwest
Powerboat in Minnesota. I do not remember any of the drivers ever having trouble
keeping that B-motor running.. Unfortunately that class died. So be it.. One time,,
with talking to Craig Dewald on the phone ordering another 20 c.i. Hot Rod prop,,
Craig made a statement that in his opinion,, the best ride overall was the 20 c.i. Hot
Rod on a Runabout... Go Figure.. Just my 2 cents worth.

[Ron Hill]

How Many 30-H Members Did APBA Lose?

When my Merc 30H was kicked to the curb in 1991 by the SORC to make room for the Yamato 102, we moved forward with the new and available engine for the class and look how strong the Yamato classes are today.

Sometimes you just have to throw out the ole shoes when they just don't fit anymore and buy a pair of new school Croc's!!......... just sayin.

The KG-4 was as old as I am, but when the OMC 15A came out, how many KG-4 aficionados dropped out?

Same with the 30-H.

Some of us get OLD and don't want to race 20 times a year. Classes liek KG-4 and Mark 30-H could have been scheduled at Divisionals and Nationals. Don't give these classes Hall of Champions status......But "Kicking these moors to the curb' wasn't a smart idea. APBA lost many members, who left with bitter feelings.

[raceright]

The KG-4 was as old as I am, but when the OMC 15A came out, how many KG-4 aficionados dropped out?

Same with the 30-H.

Some of us get OLD and don't want to race 20 times a year. Classes liek KG-4 and Mark 30-H could have been scheduled at Divisionals and Nationals. Don't give these classes Hall of Champions status......But "Kicking these moors to the curb' wasn't a smart idea. APBA lost many members, who left with bitter feelings.

Boy is this gonna anger some--out with the old and in with the new both engines or racers is the main thing needed to save the beast---Both are keeping the sport from growing, go to a cycle race and see how many young drivers and new bikes are there year after year. As I have said before boat racers are to cheap. Have at it.

[Dave M]

Legal

The KG-4 was as old as I am, but when the OMC 15A came out, how many KG-4 aficionados dropped out?

Same with the 30-H.

Some of us get OLD and don't want to race 20 times a year. Classes liek KG-4 and Mark 30-H could have been scheduled at Divisionals and Nationals. Don't give these classes Hall of Champions status......But "Kicking these moors to the curb' wasn't a smart idea. APBA lost many members, who left with bitter feelings.

Ron,

These are legal engines to race in Modified Div in APBA, and in the NBRA. They always have been. Nothing dissapeared. Some just ignore the fact there is place for all of these engines.

Dave

[squirrelboydeluxe]

Around 2000,Cannondale- the famous bicycle maker got into dirt bikes with a four stroke, fuel injected motor with the intake on the FRONT side of the cyl & the exhaust coming out the rear.

You couldn't ride them to the starting line reliably two motos in a row

**** near put them out of buisness too

George B

[Racers Edge]

Cannondale

"Around 2000,Cannondale- the famous bicycle maker got into dirt bikes with a four stroke, fuel injected motor with the intake on the FRONT side of the cyl & the exhaust coming out the rear.

You couldn't ride them to the starting line reliably two motos in a row

**** near put them out of buisness too"

It did put them out of business! After Cannondale's bicycle division showed a profit of three million $ in their final year of business under original ownership, the motorcycle/atv division lost a crippling 28 million dollars forcing them into bankruptcy. Dorel, a mass conglomerate now owns the Canondale name. They also own Pacific bicycles.

P.S. This is not meant be a slam on the Sidewinder.