Tohatsu in 750mod..

[Team 12R]

Nice job MOD Commissioners

This is long overdue.. Finally a guy can buy a "NEW" D motor and race it competitively in more than 1 class. I have scratched my head for years wondering why someone would want to buy a new 6000 dollar motor and only be able to run it 2 heats a day (unless enough FE's show up).

I'm sure there are others involved in this decision but hats off to Daren Goehring for not giving up the fight.

Those worried about their mercs being outclassed by this newer more modern motor. Shame on you.. If you can't build a mod merc that won't clobber a "STOCK" Tohatsu then you should throw in the towel.

[Team 12R]

Points question?

Ok, let me clarify the decision that was made. the MORC approved the motor to be raced in 750 mod as a prototype for the class. That means it will be raced this year for NO points and cannot be raced at Championship events. The purpose of this is to obtain the necessary data to provide to determine the prospects of the engine. also, the motor will be raced as in stock configuration, with no allowable modifications. The motor will be allowed to use 4 blade propellers and no height restriction, per Mod category rules.

Hey Daren,

I understand that the Tohatsu will not earn 750 points but will the Mercury guys be able to earn points with a full class who wouldn't normally when there was only 2 true 750's? This could be a really great thing for 750 guy who never had enough entries to get points

To clarify my question. Even though the Tohatsu won't earn points, will it be recognized as a legal (boat count) entry?

[jeff55v]

The most misunderstood engine ever?

Every once in a while, I like to look into the Hydroracer archives for a little historical perspective. This morning I read about 20 posts made against the Tohatsu in APBA D stock back in 2006. The Merc crowd lined up against the Tohatsu in APBA D stock (with a few exceptions). There were a lot of dire predictions made about the Tohatsu back then. NONE of which has come to pass. NONE!
Here we go again.

[Danny Pigott]

Alex you need to move down south the water behind my house is pretty and blue. I think it is great that Bass built the Toc. for D stock and that they make the parts they do, but until there are no 44 mercury's left to run D MOD i can't see the need for it just to give people three classes to run with one motor. The 44 has only one class if there are no FE boats. The PRO guys buy a 250 and can only run one class or a 350. NBRA has the right idea with it in the 40 cu class i don't know why D MOD 40 cu was dropped from APBA the 44 was E MOD. This is what i think will happen the first year or two the Toc will get beat by the Merc then they will want some Mods to help them and if they get enough the 44 Merc will be history. Every new motor that came out other than the 15 OMC is gone Hot Rod 15 ss Merc 25 ss ,35 ss 44 xs. The old 44 Merc has been running from 1958 an is still going.

[blueskyracer]

This is what i think will happen the first year or two the Toc will get beat by the Merc then they will want some Mods to help them and if they get enough the 44 Merc will be history. Every new motor that came out other than the 15 OMC is gone Hot Rod 15 ss Merc 25 ss ,35 ss 44 xs. The old 44 Merc has been running from 1958 an is still going.

Danny I have a feeling you will be right.. I guess time will tell but if they come up against strong 44's then they will want changes and more changes..

But like I said time will tell. Maybe the good 44's will sand bag some Anyway lets go racing!! Now its time for positive talk about 2013

[Danny Pigott]

500 mod

I have one of the fastest 500 MOD Hydro's in the country Finished 1/2 at the Nat's lost on time to Miller with a 1/2, second in Winter Nat's and it runs on a D B&H Hydro. I hate to tell you but the 44 Merc will be here for a long time to come unless it is ban like the 30H was in CSH. We need to put the Toc. on a vote of the drivers now and see what happens. as far as the other motors you talked about they have nothing to do with it they just did not last long

[mercguy]

I have one of the fastest 500 MOD Hydro's in the country Finished 1/2 at the Nat's lost on time to Miller with a 1/2, second in Winter Nat's and it runs on a D B&H Hydro. I hate to tell you but the 44 Merc will be here for a long time to come unless it is ban like the 30H was in CSH. We need to put the Toc. on a vote of the drivers now and see what happens. as far as the other motors you talked about they have nothing to do with it they just did not last long

fantastic, looking forward to seeing that 500mod hydro next year at the 2014 Moses Lake Stock/Mod Nationals....

[mercguy]

Bingo!!!

I like that you come to the winter Nat's in Tabor City NC and I will come to Ca. really we are just trying to do what both of us want to help racing, I think DMH and CMH was the biggest classes at the Nat's . I have a FEH in the works just have to rig it up I know it is a waste of money there are no FEH on the east coast but Hunter. I can't keel down so it is a lay down boat I just want one more ride in a Hydro and that Is what it is for . I have a 500 Konig and Yale Hydro but can't drive it now, so good luck to all of you I was just trying to pass on some history

we are ALL (especially elected commissioners) trying to do whats best for boat racing, which is in a fragile state right now. While everyone might not agree by some decisions, trust me, they are all well thought out...


oh..........will definately be at the 2013 Stock/Mod Nationals (with 10 boats) at Whitney Point..................let's just go racin!!!

[Danny Pigott]

Ny

Jimmy Warren drives for me he is a very hard driver on and off the water, we will be there with CMH, DMH FEH CSH. but they have a lot of help . the last race I run was Dayton oh . I had BMH, 25MH, DMH,, EMH, FEH, 500 Pro Hydro. My son ran JMH and JMR. Our crew was me, dad , and my wife , this was a hell of a time but we made it , also we had a Tunnel boat we ran in the southeast. I had way to much on me but did very good

[Racerkyle20]

We also have the best beer out here. We don't sip wine at the end of race day.

I beg to differ! The NW has some of the best micro breweries in the world.

[Larry M]

Simple answer to your question.....both......the 40's and 44's run in the same class in APBA 750......not many 40's race in APBA......so , bring your 44mod to SOA races and race with us...

If you want to win the D Mod in APBA (750 cc class) you are going to run the 44 Mod Merc. If you see a 40ci Merc in the race he doesn't stand much of a chance of winning the same thing with the 44XS. Now you have a Tohatsu that is running about the same speed as the 40ci Merc and the 44XS so they are going to be in the back of the pack also. Who is serious about winning going to run a motor that has a slim chance of winning? The Tohatsu guys are happy now but after running in the back of the pack for a couple of years they are going to want to do something to make them equal. That is where the rub comes in. I think a good chamber on these loop charged motors will make them run and the now the 44Mod Merc is history. I think the Tohatsu is something that is needed but you guys need to bring back the old D 40ci class and combine some of the other classes.

Larry Mac

[daveracerdsh]

Tohatsu

The proposal that was accepted by the mod commission was for the Tohatsu to run essentialy stock..with the exception of no height restriction and a 4 blade prop. I think Darren asked that there be no internal changes allowed to the motor....If you want to do port work etc 850 mod would be a better place for that. A decent 750 mod hydro will have about a 3 second a lap advantage over a decent Tohatsu....that was my experience at the 2010 Oroville nationals with Brian Palmquist having the fastest 44 and myself having the fastest Tohatsu. Oh ya..as I type this I am working in Acapulco Mexico....never been to a place like this in my life.....a nervous dave.

[mercguy]

If you want to win the D Mod in APBA (750 cc class) you are going to run the 44 Mod Merc. If you see a 40ci Merc in the race he doesn't stand much of a chance of winning the same thing with the 44XS. Now you have a Tohatsu that is running about the same speed as the 40ci Merc and the 44XS so they are going to be in the back of the pack also. Who is serious about winning going to run a motor that has a slim chance of winning? The Tohatsu guys are happy now but after running in the back of the pack for a couple of years they are going to want to do something to make them equal. That is where the rub comes in. I think a good chamber on these loop charged motors will make them run and the now the 44Mod Merc is history. I think the Tohatsu is something that is needed but you guys need to bring back the old D 40ci class and combine some of the other classes.

Larry Mac

Larry, in APBA, any changes to Mod technical rules must go to a vote of the members of the class.....

The Tohatsu is brought in to help grow the class again and incite competition, which will bring out the 44mod guys that may have parked their rigs due to not having enough guys to race with, I am one of those guys FYI, just for thought. A good percentage of the mod races have stock racers stepping up and those guyts are ot compaining about needing more speed, they just want more places to race also and have fun, which is the ultimate goal for us all.

[Dave M]

Not Sure

Did you guys just kill the DSH class in APBA ? I know the class is very close to not existing as it is, but with this move, do any of you feel it will hurt the DSH class in stock ? It is tough to get enough DSH's in the midwest at local races (from my observations at the races) The 44XS guys around here anyways pretty much gave up and sold off or quit running. Some run their rigs with the mod bunch.

Does anyone feel like this will dilute the DSH class any further ? I have seen many posts on this site regarding the height issues and prop issues running a Tohotsu at the lower levels as required by the rules in stock. Now in Mod, you have no prop restrictions, and you have no height restrictions. Tell me how that is not motive to not race in DSH ?

Curious on opinions on this, as I do know who was the largest complainers of these height restrictions in APBA D Stock Hydro class.

[blueskyracer]

Larry, in APBA, any changes to Mod technical rules must go to a vote of the members of the class.....

The Tohatsu is brought in to help grow the class again and incite competition, which will bring out the 44mod guys that may have parked their rigs due to not having enough guys to race with, I am one of those guys FYI, just for thought. A good percentage of the mod races have stock racers stepping up and those guyts are ot compaining about needing more speed, they just want more places to race also and have fun, which is the ultimate goal for us all.

Sounds good to me.. More fun is always good and more racers always helps..Hopefully the rules stay the way they are now less the one year probation.

Parity is a stock term and hopefully will not be applied down the road to this class in the form of rule changes