SORC Please Consider "Parity"

[reed28n]

Let's follow our rules

Stock Outboard Racing is a form of affordable, amateur, outboard powered racing, achieving maximum recognition and reasonable awards for successful competitors. Our objective is to have competitive equipment, commercially available to all competitors on an equal basis. We wish to promote this sport on a national level and support it on a local level, giving safety a foremost consideration.

How do we achieve the underlined? Used out of production motors only available as hand me downs? Guedo's perception with the 102's is what we see with an OMC only and Y80 only and a Merc 44XS only class.

(not to bring Mike Pavlick into the conversation again, but his 302 in CSH was extremely compettive. Ryan Burdick and I both ran 302's in CSR)

[reed28n]

Stock outboard Plan "Mushroom Cloud"

1) Motors shall be divided into classes as follows:
Class Permitted Motors

ASH, ASR Johnson & Evinrude “A”, Sidewinder 15S
BSH, BSR Hot Rod 15 CID, Sidewinder 15H
CSH, CSR Yamato 102 & 302
DSH, DSR Mercury/Mariner 44XS, Tohatsu RAM50
20SSH Yamato 80, Yamato 302 with 7/16” restrictor
25SSR, H Mercury/Mariner 25XS,Hot Rod 20 CID, Sidewinder 20S

302SSH Yamato 302

Where we we headed..... remove the from the National high point motors that are rare or are only racing locally. The thought behind removing motor platforms was so new drivers would not buy motors that could not or would not compete at a National level.

Simplify the National program, give drivers a clear concise direction, allow bona fide starters with national platfom engine to achieve points with other platforms raced locally to make the class, allow step ups for Merc AX to the A class to support local racing and allow young drivers to get more seat time and allow them to enter the class at the J registration fee.

Parity to promote the currently available motor that can be obtained equally. Let classes stand on their own and promote them, don't prop them up with a multitude of options that confuse inspectors, parity committees and most importantly new or potential customers of APBA.

[Affholter66]

25ssr

1) Motors shall be divided into classes as follows:
Class Permitted Motors

ASH, ASR Johnson & Evinrude “A”, Sidewinder 15S
BSH, BSR Hot Rod 15 CID, Sidewinder 15H
CSH, CSR Yamato 102 & 302
DSH, DSR Mercury/Mariner 44XS, Tohatsu RAM50
20SSH Yamato 80, Yamato 302 with 7/16” restrictor
25SSR, H Mercury/Mariner 25XS,Hot Rod 20 CID, Sidewinder 20S

302SSH Yamato 302

Where we we headed..... remove the from the National high point motors that are rare or are only racing locally. The thought behind removing motor platforms was so new drivers would not buy motors that could not or would not compete at a National level.

I have a question. What is the logic to dropping the Yamato's out of 25SSR? How many "newbies" that get into our sport actually care about competing Nationally? Speaking for myself (and I bet the rest of Team Casual) we race for the fun it first and foremost. How everything shakes out at the end of the season is secondary. It’s my opinion that the current 25ssr format is one of the best deals going in SO racing. Get yourself a decent runabout with either a 102 / 302 and for an additional investment of $17.00 buy a restrictor plate and you can potentially run 2 classes ( CSR / 25SSR). Beyond all the things I mentioned above it’s my guess that my Club MHRA would feel the pain $$$$$ in a big way if the current 25ssr class was dismantled……………..just my two cents.

[Team 12R]

Same for the Tohatsu then

I want the CSH 102's slowed down. On big courses, specifically national races, where there is a long run to the first corner, a good 102 is faster than a great 302 in a straight line. Fact.

I'm converting both my 102 mod engines back to stock and running those this year - anyone have a good used set of points?

In region 10 we have figured out that the 44XS is also more competitive on a long course such as Lawrence. If we are going to slow down the SW we need to make all us Mercury guys feel warm and fuzzier also and add further "Parity" in the D class. Other than Silver Lake Everett we need to keep the courses more Merc friendly also. Anderson thinks he's being unique laying out odd-ball 3-turn courses. I see now he's only exploiting the Mercs weakness. I wonder why stock national courses don't have a 3rd straightaway?

Bring it Meatball... i'm only half kidding here but I would rather see more conforming courses like Lawrence and Cullaby rather than that thing at Castle Rock last year.

[Hutch06]

I have a question. What is the logic to dropping the Yamato's out of 25SSR? How many "newbies" that get into our sport actually care about competing Nationally? Speaking for myself (and I bet the rest of Team Casual) we race for the fun it first and foremost. How everything shakes out at the end of the season is secondary. It’s my opinion that the current 25ssr format is one of the best deals going in SO racing. Get yourself a decent runabout with either a 102 / 302 and for an additional investment of $17.00 buy a restrictor plate and you can potentially run 2 classes ( CSR / 25SSR). Beyond all the things I mentioned above it’s my guess that my Club MHRA would feel the pain $$$$$ in a big way if the current 25ssr class was dismantled……………..just my two cents.

I don't know if Scott might have 'forgotten' to put them in, or what the reasoning might be.

I believe that in order to attract new members we need to keep 20SSH and 25SSR as classes where a number of new and old equipment can compete at. To make 20SSH/25SSR into a just Sidewinder class as the end goal is suicide for the classes - they are nice entry level classes where you can purchase a Y80 and boat for around $2500 and be mildly competitive. Add in not that much more funds and you're pretty solidly competitive.

[Islandmon]

I don't know if Scott might have 'forgotten' to put them in, or what the reasoning might be.

I believe that in order to attract new members we need to keep 20SSH and 25SSR as classes where a number of new and old equipment can compete at. To make 20SSH/25SSR into a just Sidewinder class as the end goal is suicide for the classes - they are nice entry level classes where you can purchase a Y80 and boat for around $2500 and be mildly competitive. Add in not that much more funds and you're pretty solidly competitive.

Ditto Elek !

Question, what logic is there in eliminating the Yamato from 25SSR and yet keep it in 20SSH..................Hmmmmm ?

20SSH Yamato 80, Yamato 302 with 7/16” restrictor
25SSR, H Mercury/Mariner 25XS,Hot Rod 20 CID, Sidewinder 20S

Sam,

[guedo499]

In region 10 we have figured out that the 44XS is also more competitive on a long course such as Lawrence. If we are going to slow down the SW we need to make all us Mercury guys feel warm and fuzzier also and add further "Parity" in the D class. Other than Silver Lake Everett we need to keep the courses more Merc friendly also. Anderson thinks he's being unique laying out odd-ball 3-turn courses. I see now he's only exploiting the Mercs weakness. I wonder why stock national courses don't have a 3rd straightaway?

I love the fact that the Tohatsu is beating the Merc. Screw the 44xs, those represent the past, I want to focus on the Now and the Future (says the guy with 3 complete 44xs'). We 44xs' can still compete with the Tohatsu on a good day, and that's after 5-7 years of Tohatsu continued development cycle on the race course - that's exactly the way it should be.

[blueskyracer]

I love the fact that the Tohatsu is beating the Merc. Screw the 44xs, those represent the past, I want to focus on the Now and the Future (says the guy with 3 complete 44xs'). We 44xs' can still compete with the Tohatsu on a good day, and that's after 5-7 years of Tohatsu continued development cycle on the race course - that's exactly the way it should be.

John turn those XS's into mod motors!!!

[Team 12R]

i'll hit the like button now.

I love the fact that the Tohatsu is beating the Merc. Screw the 44xs, those represent the past, I want to focus on the Now and the Future (says the guy with 3 complete 44xs'). We 44xs' can still compete with the Tohatsu on a good day, and that's after 5-7 years of Tohatsu continued development cycle on the race course - that's exactly the way it should be.

I agree John... I rather enjoy watching you nail a start and have those guys really have to work hard... I was just taking a shot at Parity. There is a lot of OMC motors effected by the success of the SW but that the way it goes. I'm glad SW and the Bass bros are willing to put up with the APBA's crap and give us new equipment.

[propnuts]

Death of the class - I have reason to doubt it

This is not new territory for us. I remember the Mercury motor's introduction into the J class, and a certain amount of the same 'death of the class' hysteria. What happened? Once the Merc became the proven dominant motor those that placed a higher priority on winning went out and bought them. Did the OMC folks all take their balls and go home? No, we still get plenty of entries in J AND AXS around here from folks running OMC's, they just don't win very often, and for a lot of racers that's OK. The overall effect of having the Merc become the dominant motor would be hard to quantify, but from what I can see it did NOT kill any classes.

[rumleyfips]

Reed28N:
I'm not sure you're right about the 76 Ford wagon. In the mid to late 60's, Rob Cotton ( probably with Billy Hessan and Donny Federhoffer) showed up at Fishes Landing with an old Ford Woodie wagon. Although Jan and Dean would have liked it, it was just a used car.

Rob didn't put oil in it it didn't last : he just poured in STP. It had no starter, we helped push it to get him home. When he ran out of money, he pulled the Carter carb off his B , sold it for $10 and bought gas .

I liked those days better than the motorhome era.

John McManus

[mercguy]

In region 10 we have figured out that the 44XS is also more competitive on a long course such as Lawrence. If we are going to slow down the SW we need to make all us Mercury guys feel warm and fuzzier also and add further "Parity" in the D class. Other than Silver Lake Everett we need to keep the courses more Merc friendly also. Anderson thinks he's being unique laying out odd-ball 3-turn courses. I see now he's only exploiting the Mercs weakness. I wonder why stock national courses don't have a 3rd straightaway?

Bring it Meatball... i'm only half kidding here but I would rather see more conforming courses like Lawrence and Cullaby rather than that thing at Castle Rock last year.

actual results from 2012 Lake Lawrence:

Sat
1st heat- Todd Cragin- Mariner 44XS
2nd heat- John Peeters- Mercury 44xs

Sun
1st heat- Dave Anderson- Tohatsu
2nd heat- Daren Goehring- Tohatsu


.....sounds like pretty darn good parity to me...

PS: to win DSH in Reg10, you BETTER be the first one out of the 1st turn.....

[Charlie Pater]

" I want the CSH 102's slowed down. On big courses, specifically national races, where there is a long run to the first corner, a good 102 is faster than a great 302 in a straight line. Fact.

I'm converting both my 102 mod engines back to stock and running those this year - anyone have a good used set of points?
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Guedo the Killer Pimp"


Amazing how people figure they know the "facts" based on their own experience. I do not agree with your conclusion.

Charlie

[Jerry Davids]

Reed28N:
I'm not sure you're right about the 76 Ford wagon. In the mid to late 60's, Rob Cotton ( probably with Billy Hessan and Donny Federhoffer) showed up at Fishes Landing with an old Ford Woodie wagon. Although Jan and Dean would have liked it, it was just a used car.

Rob didn't put oil in it it didn't last : he just poured in STP. It had no starter, we helped push it to get him home. When he ran out of money, he pulled the Carter carb off his B , sold it for $10 and bought gas .

I liked those days better than the motorhome era.

John McManus

John, I has a little kid when I last saw you race. It's good to see that your still around. I remember my Dad and Leigh Furnal telling me a story once of you leaving home and driving to Regan's Silver Lake in Oswego NY to race only to find that all of your racing equipment fell out in the driveway. May or may not be true, but it sure sounds funny. Sure miss the camp fires on the hill. By the way, if you want to feel really old, I'm 51 know

Hope all is well.

Jerry Davids

[Team 12R]

the whole story?

actual results from 2012 Lake Lawrence:

Sat
1st heat- Todd Cragin- Mariner 44XS
2nd heat- John Peeters- Mercury 44xs

Sun
1st heat- Dave Anderson- Tohatsu
2nd heat- Daren Goehring- Tohatsu


.....sounds like pretty darn good parity to me...

PS: to win DSH in Reg10, you BETTER be the first one out of the 1st turn.....

what heat on saturday did you jump by an inch and would have won by a straightaway?

the tohatsu is way faster without a doubt and i'm glad. not saying the merc doesn't stand a chance on a .750 or bigger but anything smaller (like almost all of them) mercs can't come close.. you, meatball and troy really did your homework and deserve all your success.