SORC Please Consider "Parity"

[roperz111]

bet?

hopefully there is enough boats left at the end of this season to even have a category

Dave,

Since you're in a betting mood wanna make a bet on that?

Chris

[ricochet112]

Let's not talk #'s Dave...

I believe there are still a lot more racing members in stock outboard than in the entire NBRA...
We will survive.

Jordy.

I was curious, so I counted and added up some numbers. Number of drivers scoring points in 2012, NBRA vs APBA stock only;

NBRA

ASH-15
CSH-20
DSH-18
CMH-20
EH-13
SEH-13
M25H-17
CR-7
DR-10
ER-11
SER-5

TOT-149



APBA

ASR-70
BSR-30
CSR-66
DSR-9
25SSR-54
ASH-96
BSH-31
CSH-117
DSH-28
25SSH-16
20SSH-116

TOT-563

[Big Don]

As the other thread said...

let's just stop the whole US vs. them BS. We all race boats. We all love this sport. Race with who, an do what you think best fits your own needs.

[blueskyracer]

As the other thread said...

let's just stop the whole US vs. them BS. We all race boats. We all love this sport. Race with who, an do what you think best fits your own needs.

So true Don, Enough is enough..We look at the race course and the park like setting and go to the races we like the most..A lot of seasons we race a couple AOF, APBA and NBRA.. We dont care who is putting on the race. I will add we perfer NBRA and AOF cause we get to run for sure

[Bob Rusnak]

I was curious, so I counted and added up some numbers. Number of drivers scoring points in 2012, NBRA vs APBA stock only;

NBRA

ASH-15
CSH-20
DSH-18
CMH-20
EH-13
SEH-13
M25H-17
CR-7
DR-10
ER-11
SER-5

TOT-149



APBA

ASR-70
BSR-30
CSR-66
DSR-9
25SSR-54
ASH-96
BSH-31
CSH-47
DSH-28
25SSH-16
20SSH-116

TOT-563

What is your point?

[Apachemax]

I was curious, so I counted and added up some numbers. Number of drivers scoring points in 2012, NBRA vs APBA stock only;

NBRA

ASH-15
CSH-20
DSH-18
CMH-20
EH-13
SEH-13
M25H-17
CR-7
DR-10
ER-11
SER-5

TOT-149



APBA

ASR-70
BSR-30
CSR-66
DSR-9
25SSR-54
ASH-96
BSH-31
CSH-47
DSH-28
25SSH-16
20SSH-116

TOT-563

Those are still low numbers IMO.
Is it just me, or is your CSH number on the low side?

[ricochet112]

Those are still low numbers IMO.
Is it just me, or is your CSH number on the low side?

ooops, not 47, it's 117 for csh

no point, i was curious so i posted the stats

[pav225]

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Brandon...good posts. Great to have you racing!!

Everyone...Let's get this Thread back on track and discussing parity.

Thanks,
Mike

[racer3j]

Parity only in A?

Is this discussion only for the A class? or are we just picking on the few sidewinders that ran good.

Just wondering because for the last 2 years my BSR has been 2-3 MPH slower then best hotrods out there. I can assure you that this is not due to lack of effort. What can we do to slow down the hotrods so I am able to compete.

Just to stir the Pot,
Dylan Runne

[HydroKyle93R]

^Good point, dude.

[guedo499]

I want the CSH 102's slowed down. On big courses, specifically national races, where there is a long run to the first corner, a good 102 is faster than a great 302 in a straight line. Fact.

I'm converting both my 102 mod engines back to stock and running those this year - anyone have a good used set of points?

[Apachemax]

Hot rod v. Sidewinder

Is this discussion only for the A class? or are we just picking on the few sidewinders that ran good.

Just wondering because for the last 2 years my BSR has been 2-3 MPH slower then best hotrods out there. I can assure you that this is not due to lack of effort. What can we do to slow down the hotrods so I am able to compete.

Just to stir the Pot,
Dylan Runne

Please take this with a grain of salt since I'm new and inexperienced.
It wouldn't make sense TO ME to slow down an older motor in order to make the new motor competitive. It makes sense to slowdown an newer motor if its over powering the older motor ( not referring to the ASH sidewinder since it seems to be a handful of sidewinders that are besting the old OMCs)

[pav225]

Please post your thoughts!

Is this discussion only for the A class? or are we just picking on the few sidewinders that ran good.

Just wondering because for the last 2 years my BSR has been 2-3 MPH slower then best hotrods out there. I can assure you that this is not due to lack of effort. What can we do to slow down the hotrods so I am able to compete.

Just to stir the Pot,
Dylan Runne

Dylan,
Stir away!! I continue to encourage folks to share their opinion. I've only asked that people keep them constructive/positive and hopefully relevant.

Sorry, if you feel I'm picking on fast Sidewinders. That's not my intent at all. The point of this thread is to ask the SORC to be intentional when considering parity in Stock. I used the example of ASH because seeing Bennett get passed so quickly, really struck me.

I'm definitely no expert in the B Class, but if the SW B's aren't running well, that's probably not going to help motor sales. While my A graph was pretty cheesy, I think we need to be intentional about where the SW B runs.

If we offer a motor that is easily 2MPH faster than the current motor, I believe racers will leave the A class. This isnt good for the Class and SW sales will suffer because there will be less racers in A to buy the motor. Sure, we all hope to sell them to new racers, but I don't think those sales would come as quick as sales to existing A racers.

We've already seen ASR and ASH drivers move over to FAR and FAH in our Region, and sounds like the ASHs in CA will continue to run their OMCs. These arent my opinion, they are facts. If the motors are fairly close in speed, more racers will remain in A and SW will sell more motors.

My opinions are based on what I've seen happen in the MidWest and from input received from other Regions. Admittedly, I haven't received much feedback from the east (except for Troy enjoying my graph) so please let us know what's working out your way.

Please share your thoughts/ideas,
Mike

[G Stillwill]

By spring there will be 24 A Sidewinders sold and its the ones that cant or know they wont find a killer OMC and just by chance you do find one as old as they whos to say how long it be that fast. I still dont see the two mile an hour differance if the was so they would have won every heat at Grass Lake.

[14J]

I want the CSH 102's slowed down. On big courses, specifically national races, where there is a long run to the first corner, a good 102 is faster than a great 302 in a straight line. Fact.

I'm converting both my 102 mod engines back to stock and running those this year - anyone have a good used set of points?

Whether this was intended to make a point or worst John is actually doing this why do we continually push our members in the direction of salvage yards? There are perfectly good current production motors available and this is an example of something that should never happen.