SORC Please Consider "Parity"

[14J]

Is this discussion only for the A class? or are we just picking on the few sidewinders that ran good.

Just wondering because for the last 2 years my BSR has been 2-3 MPH slower then best hotrods out there. I can assure you that this is not due to lack of effort. What can we do to slow down the hotrods so I am able to compete.

Just to stir the Pot,
Dylan Runne

Obviously you guys don't work hard enough.

[MGallagher]

Did this whole thread start because of ONE race, or is it just me?

[kampkurz]

Actually it might be a couple races. I started hearing stuff as soon as a Sidewinder started running good in region six. I started hearing "something's gotta be done". From a longtime respected racing family, who most likely, had a ton of time/work/money in their OMC's. Can't quite blame them really. Totally different attitude than the driver of the Sidewinder.

[Dave M]

I agree

Whether this was intended to make a point or worst John is actually doing this why do we continually push our members in the direction of salvage yards? There are perfectly good current production motors available and this is an example of something that should never happen.

If you continue to keep old unavailable engines, and slow down new technology it seems like step backwards ? Why not just change as the times seem to indicate ? Remember, I hear all the time from the stock category that Mod is the dumping grounds of all the old stock engines no longer useable. Seems like a good plan to me.

And Chris J., no I am not taking a bet from you, you burned the bridge dude.....

[pav225]

Transition

Dave and All,
I'm not suggesting that SW shouldn't be the motor of choice in the A Class....I'm asking for a well thought out and planned transition so that we don't lose the current field of drivers.

As I continue to state, I encourage folks to share their opinions. Please use facts when possible and then walk through your scenario. Play it out over a few years to show how it benefits the class and/or the motor manufacturer.

Insults are easy....let's hear some constructive input.

Mike

[guedo499]

Whether this was intended to make a point or worst John is actually doing this why do we continually push our members in the direction of salvage yards? There are perfectly good current production motors available and this is an example of something that should never happen.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

[jswain3]

Props

Guedo,

We started side by side this year at the nationals & I did walk by you on the way to the first turn. It wasn't the end of the front stretch. It was shortly after the starting line. Joe Pater, Scott Clark, Mark Miskerik & Tim Sidor had screaming starts on the outside (which is why they passed you).
Probably had the throttle pinned at least 3 seconds before us.

Maybe you just need to leave the 102's alone & get a better wheel.

Jordy

[guedo499]

Guedo,

I did walk by you on the way to the first turn.

Jordy

Yes you did!

The funny thing is, when I run the 302 as an OSY, the power curve acts like a 102's - higher the RPMs, faster you go.

All I'm saying, if you watch the finals of CSH at any nationals, you know the 102 is the way to go fast and win.

The 102/302 situation is very similar to if the SW A was to be slowed down and be slower than an OMC. Right now the 302 in CSH is slower than the 102 - why would any of the top-drivers even want to switch to a 302 when their 102s are so fast?

[G Stillwill]

Just because you invest a lot of work and money into motors doesnt mean you will win it just gives you the chance to win, takes a lot more then a good motor to get it done. The new manifold is supposed to slow the A down so you will get your wishes

[pav225]

manifold

George,
You are the motor guru! ...Can you share some insight on the new manifold?

Is it an exhaust manifold or intake manifold?

Thanks for sharing,
Mike

[G Stillwill]

Mike its the intake manifold between the carb and the reeds. The new one has less volume then the one that is on there now or smaller passage ways. Its been tested on the runabout but not the hydro. Runne ran one at the fall Millville and swaped heats with Billy Simmons. It helped the bog in the turns on the runabout but lost a 100 RPM at top end. I found with my boats and props a 100 rpm is anywhere from a mile to a mile and a half in speed.

[14J]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

What I also see in this picture is 9 102's and 3 302's in a national finals heat. Now that's parity.

[reed28n]

Evolution....

I want the CSH 102's slowed down. On big courses, specifically national races, where there is a long run to the first corner, a good 102 is faster than a great 302 in a straight line. Fact.

I'm converting both my 102 mod engines back to stock and running those this year - anyone have a good used set of points?

This post touches on a couple systemic or logical missteps in Stock Outboard. The new path should be:
Once a new motor is identified for a class, no more band aids should be approved for old motors. No more after market points, no after market pistons, no straight gears..... let the pool of existing parts deplete.

This will help us accomplish a few things.

• As parts become more rare the price of maintaining your old out of production motor will rise
• New motors will become more appealing
• As more participants in a class aquire new motors, not only will new power plant owners increase there influence when they vote on changes but we can expect that the difference between the slowest new motor and the fastest new motor will be far smaller due to improved technology in production.

Would the Y-80 still be around without replacement points and pistons? After the new motors is established Restricted 302 lock down the rules on the Y80. The SW has been identified as a new a motor lock down any things proposed for the OMC. Not elimante the motor or obsolete it. It will slowly show the age that it is.
Y80 40 plus years old
OMCA 30 plus, Merc 25xs 30 plus, Y102 30 plus, Merc 44XS 30 plus, would you still rely on your 1976 Ford Station Wagon to get you to the races everyweekend?

[pav225]

Mike its the intake manifold between the carb and the reeds. The new one has less volume then the one that is on there now or smaller passage ways. Its been tested on the runabout but not the hydro. Runne ran one at the fall Millville and swaped heats with Billy Simmons. It helped the bog in the turns on the runabout but lost a 100 RPM at top end. I found with my boats and props a 100 rpm is anywhere from a mile to a mile and a half in speed.

Thanks George!

Hope you feeling better, so you can get your next boat done. Pics look great!

Mike

[ronronx]

Maybe, maybe not

would you still rely on your 1976 Ford Station Wagon to get you to the races everyweekend?

Probably not, but I can still get aftermarket parts and try if I want or need too.