302 Super Stock Hydro

[daveracerdsh]

Restrictor

I think you will be able to have an inspector watch while u install plate...he or she can then re-seal it. Dave

[daveracerdsh]

302 Super Stock Hydro

SOA has been running a "test" class in region 10 for 2 years now called Novice C hydro....so far it has been a huge success....some of the best racing of the weekend happens when these guys hit the start finish line.

[Aussie Steve]

Good luck C novice seems to be a hit with drivers and great to watch , hope this turns out the same

[daveracerdsh]

Hopes

I hope this class invigorates APBA and the stock catagory....we need to do something to get people interested in racing again...yes we have a lot of classes..too many in my opinion...but this will be a first..a class where u have to spend very little money on the motor or props. Even competition, where the driving skill decides who will be out front when the checkered flag flies. Every other form of organized racing in the United States has something similar to what we are now doing...and those classes are usually the most popular with the racers. I think this will be a big hit...I already have people here in region ten that are excited to run the class. Yes...with anything we do, there are downsides....but we have to look towards the future. Everything we do from now on will depend on how people look at this class...and how we as a group promote it.. Yes...there is a lot of used equipment around, and yes is is less expensive then what this class will cost to run. But..in the long run, if a new racer buys used stuff, races for a while and loses intrest because he/she cannot compete with the big dogs..what have we gained? Nothing. Another racer or racing family that goes into go cart racing or dirt bikes or something else. Trust me...we have all seen it happen. Like what has been stated in the past...sometimes we have to look beyond at the big picture to survive as a group....and myself and a whole lot of other people feel that this is a great thing for stock outboard racing....the rules are now in place. And...there may be tweaks in the future....but I think we have it pretty well nailed down. If there are any concerns, ideas...please do not hesitate to call me or email me. My cell is 425 246 4710..e mail address is daveracerdsh@aol.com. Like I stated earlier...new rig will be at Grass Lake ready to run....I can't wait to test it! And ...it will be for sale to whoever wants to buy it.....See you all in less then a month. Dave

[Team B&H]

The above rules don't include a seal between the carburetor and intake assembly only the intake to crankcase so you are free to add or remove a restrictor.

So this is the first stock hydroplane class that strays beyond a minimum weight requirement and some minor airtrap restrictions on the A by including some specific hull limitations. I told Dave Haman and Fred Miller when they wanted a transom height limit on the OMC A that their rule would influence and change the A hydros forever. The same thing will be in play here with the various restrictions making subtle boat changes significant. While you can take an existing 20 or C boat and use it as is because most all will meet the dimensions, lower speeds and 2 blade props will influence boat refinement when championships and Hall of Champions consideration come into play.

How is hydroplane boat length measured? Bottom length? Deck length? Either of those to end of pickle? Include absolute overall length including transom setback to top of transom? Just curious.

How stock is stock? After I stick my motor trying to find the useful height limit for the 2 blade prop, can I send it back to the authorized service center and have it bored oversize to use the stock oversize pistons and rings? Can the service guy use aftermarket piston rings if he supplies them? Must he keep all clearances as manufactured or can he tweak some? Ie, piston to wall and big end connecting rod in particular. If not, how will those be inspected?

Can magneto assemblies be modified with drain holes and diodes for ordinary 2-wire kill switches so there is interchangeability with other motors? New guy = more flips and more potential expensive damage from rusting crank tops if water is not allowed to drain out.

You don't have many rules but ...

[daveracerdsh]

valid points

Good input Sam....thank you!

[5-A]

I'm with Hunter

[daveracerdsh]

302 Super Stock Hydro

Boat is being painted....motor is being prepared for first test run at nationals. I can't wait to take it out. David

[Team 12R]

something overlooked

okay dave... constructive criticism...

i'm on the side of this thing is gonna crash and burn. however if this is moving forward i have a suggestion that should be really taken seriously and made part of the package.

folks are going to want to race other classes with this "save the APBA" class, correct? okay... the fact that they are going to be running way too deep, too many cc's , and and a unprofiled foot are going to be things they have no control over when stepping up to get more knee time. REQUIRE THE 302SSH CLASS RUN A 9/16" PROPSHAFT...

most racers are going to have the ability to borrow or run a better prop when they want to run 20, CSH or OSY. a 16mm shaft (.063) that you want on this 302 deal is too big. you can't shim a prop down from a 9/16 (.05625) shaft to a 16mm. most good C props are 9/16. lets make one thing easier on the new folks.

bring on the haters...

[Racerkyle20]

okay dave... constructive criticism...

i'm on the side of this thing is gonna crash and burn. however if this is moving forward i have a suggestion that should be really taken seriously and made part of the package.

folks are going to want to race other classes with this "save the APBA" class, correct? okay... the fact that they are going to be running way too deep, too many cc's , and and a unprofiled foot are going to be things they have no control over when stepping up to get more knee time. REQUIRE THE 302SSH CLASS RUN A 9/16" PROPSHAFT...

most racers are going to have the ability to borrow or run a better prop when they want to run 20, CSH or OSY. a 16mm shaft (.063) that you want on this 302 deal is too big. you can't shim a prop down from a 9/16 (.05625) shaft to a 16mm. most good C props are 9/16. lets make one thing easier on the new folks.

bring on the haters...

We took the 9/16th prop shaft into consideration. The committee's thought on keeping the 16mm shaft was to A) make sure the propellers being sold with the motors and being used by the drivers are never switched out somehow. A 16mm prop shaft solves that. B) If the driver wants to run CSH, 20ssh, OSY, etc we felt the best way to do this was to not have the driver run their non profiled case against other racers with profiled cases. The easiest way for a driver to do this is buy another gear case, profile it, and run that in the other APBA yamato classes. How much is another gear case profiled and with 9/16 prop shaft? I don't know what it is, I hope another committee member can remember and commment on that.

Just giving the inside scoop of why that decision was made.

[daveracerdsh]

Input

Good input Kyle. Thanx. That is why I asked the best and brightest minds in stock racing to help make this class a success. This will not "crash and burn" like some people hope it will.....it will take time to get going, like any other new idea. But it will work. I feel the future of stock racing in APBA depends on it. dave

[Team 12R]

"hope"? never saw that word dave. for the record my gut tells me it's too much money to ask for (4) heats a weekend. i "hope" for the future of our sport 302SSH it's a success. this is why i feel the propshaft is an issue that would help that racer laying out big money.

a 9/16 shaft is about 85 bucks retail. i would think/hope that if rick was going to sell a motor for 2600 bucks a propshaft exchange might be something he would work with us on.

run the 2 blade props like discussed for 302. it's cheaper to bore them to 9/16 than it would be to have a new guy buy another case and profile it to run good props. that's another 800 bucks to race other classes.

why the lack of trust? we trust "j" drivers. that black heat treat isn't a secret process...

make this deal too expensive and (1) class specific and it will "crash and burn"...

[Racerkyle20]

make this deal too expensive and (1) class specific and it will "crash and burn"...

Ah, but if a prespective driver did buy a new 302 for this class, a second gear case, and with prop it's still cheaper than any other brand new stock motor the stock category promotes. Just food for thought.

[Dr. Thunder]

" ... why the lack of trust? we trust "j" drivers. that black heat treat isn't a secret process...

what does the above refer to?

[Team 12R]

what does the above refer to?

thunder,

that was my reply to kyle telling me "We took the 9/16th prop shaft into consideration. The committee's thought on keeping the 16mm shaft was to A) make sure the propellers being sold with the motors and being used by the drivers are never switched out somehow. A 16mm prop shaft solves that."


kyle,

a good used C outfit is still a lot less money and can be run more competitive in 3 classes (and novice C in our region). so the 302SSH motor with an additional gearcase is not the least expensive stock option. that's why i say why not call out this motor to have a 9/16 shaft.

this leads me back to my original problem i saw with this whole new class. do we really need to have a guy spend all this money and another gearcase? no... just run a novice C class like we do in region 10.