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[AZ Outlaw]

Simply a question.... hydro racer often misses the point.

Timing issue or not the heat should have been re run. My tongue and cheek is often taken too seriously. You had 8 Bona fide starters to establish the Divisional qualifier even though all 8 could not restart someone would have still qualified.

Allowing two qualifiers? That would be a mistake..........plenty of things can happen for one reason or another at a race.....but the race committee hosting a champioship race has requested the approval of the SORC for the event and has accepted the responsibility to avoid things like this from happening.

8. The referee may call for the restart of a heat under the following circumstances:
A. if officials or their equipment have performed in error,
B. if officials have failed to record those boats jumping the gun, or

Not intended to offend anyone! I love APBA, I appreciate the efforts of all volunteers, I even like all of the drivers involved, hell I'll even throw in "I like Ed Hearn". I am just stating an opinion of a topic. My boat probably won't even be built in time to race CSH at Grass Lake. My boat builder is really poor with timelines.

Scott,

FYI...Wheeler over ruled the SORC's decision in re running the heats and pointed out in the rule book where this is covered. The SORC has identified an issue that must be addressed, as mistakes happen.

Rule 21 Scoring Points

3. In case two or more boats have scored the same number of points for the series, thus establishing a tie, the winner shall be one of the tied boats with the least elapsed time for both heats.

A. Unless category rules state otherwise, if a tie cannot be decided by the above, issue each boat the same winning position and points and do not issue position and points for the next lower place winner.

[AZ Outlaw]

"Yes, mistakes happen and we all race with volunteers directing and sincerely appreciate our volunteers thank you for all of your hard work. The non timed heat needed to be re run. This was not a local race and you can't have a tie in this circumstance. There should be no qualifier at this race. Were both engines inspected for a Divisional qualifier? "


So was I. There was zero insinuation in Scotts question.

A simple honest direct question to the point, with no jabs, pokes, sarcasm, atitutde, tone, emoticons...wow why so sensative; were you the race director, timer or Ref?

It is a very important question, if they both were to get in to the finals, and if there was some type of playoff they would both have had to be inspected.

So now we know they were and all is good.

Guess me reading hydro winer at 6am doesn't do me well...
I didn't understand how inspection had anything to do with the timing issue, so why question it? Isn't it a rule that all Divisional winners must be inspected? I waited till 7am to respond this time...

No, I was not a part of the race committee in any way, in fact, I raced in CSH.

[reed28n]

i guess we have a decision

Rule 21 Scoring Points

3. In case two or more boats have scored the same number of points for the series, thus establishing a tie, the winner shall be one of the tied boats with the least elapsed time for both heats.

A. Unless category rules state otherwise, if a tie cannot be decided by the above, issue each boat the same winning position and points and do not issue position and points for the next lower place winner.


The above rule does not make an accomodation for no time in one heat. So the lowest recorded time is the winner. The two boats would have the same time in the first heat effectively zeroing the time and the avaialbel time comparison existed in the second heat and cannot be ignored.

The rule does not state that you must have a time for each heat. I would rule in favor of the lowest time calculated in the second heat and if the other driver wanted to contest the decision let it go to the competition comittee. That would be a fair way to deal with this within the rules.

[Big Don]

Scott,

FYI...Wheeler over ruled the SORC's decision in re running the heats and pointed out in the rule book where this is covered. The SORC has identified an issue that must be addressed, as mistakes happen.

[/B]

Clarify for me please? What did the SORC decide? I don’t remember deciding anything?

[ronronx]

Accomodation

I know I am new to this but to me it looks like the statement in provision 3 does provide accomodation for a heat with no time because it does state a requirement for a time in both heats and if there is no time for one heat as in this case, you can't add them together for the lowest accumulated time and have to look to A for a resolution.

However, I don't know if the same rules apply to the divisional races as to your normal points races. I probably should have done a little research to see if there is a difference in the rules for a regular race and a divisional but if the rules are the same, it seems like divsionals should be held to a higher standard and unless you are worried about having enough boats for Nationals, somehow a single winner needs to be declared. Not only for the points but also because of the national implications to other regions.

You guys already know this stuff. I'm probably just talking to myself but that's OK, I do that a lot:-)
Cheers,
Ron

[AZ Outlaw]

Clarify for me please? What did the SORC decide? I don’t remember deciding anything?

Our Chairman made the decision to re run the heat, but was over ruled. Speak with JB, Big Don, or give me a call. The next commish meeting will be for the issue at hand, and for the SORC to make a decision.

[daveracerdsh]

Western Divisionals

I was on my way out of the race site to catch my plane home....and then I heard about the mess in CSH. Mistakes do happen....we are all human. From what I understand the race committee would have had to re run BOTH heats....am I correct? what a mess. Dave

[Boatracer4fun]

Could they have run another heat with just the 2 in question for this scenerio to decide who goes or is that against a rule?