SO Class Reduction Proposal

[raceright]

John, the issue with the "one motor per class idea" is that there is no guarantee how long the manufacturer will continue to build the motor that was chosen for the class. With the way outboard manufacturers are ran today, they could drop the motor instantly from their production line. I can pretty much bet the Merc 15 will not stay in production past the 2017 year (or right around there). Same could probably be said for the Tohatsu M50D. With the decreased selling of "dirty" 2 strokes, the manufacturers will just stop wasting their time and energy and use the production facilities for something that is "green" and that they can market and sell. Remember they are in business to make money (of which they really aren't busting at the seams with right now). So, having multiple engines in the class will lessen the outcome of the future. Plus, having "brand fights" makes racing more exciting.................just like NASCAR.

PS: if a group of racers are trying to keep their class alive and not have it eliminated, you MUST show up and race at the Nationals............this will prove how dedicated you are!

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JUST AN IDEA

[dil/viller]

wow!!

a polish look at the saviors of the sport. combining classes [dmh[750] and dsh] forgot who had mentioned that one. eliminating classes[dsr--bp125] and all the other great brainstormin in reguards to the size of the classes will not save the sport. different regions have different interests. most travel long distances to get the high off of competition and will not travel to race one class. maybe the effort in thought should be put towards continuing promoting the sport to new people gettin into racing. lookin for new race sites, racing divisionals b4 nationals having the nats as a combined stock and mod for the boat count and centralizing the event so the coasters only have to travel half the country. how bout a payout for placing in the top three. we r probably the only motor sport that doesn't. and combining the so and mod into one catagory, wow!! wheres my aspirin? the[mutant earthling]

[daveracerdsh]

Classes

Interesting points all around.....If you go to the APBA website and look at the class list in stock and mod outboard racing you are faced with so many classes....At some point in time the various commisions are going to need to look at paring things down...of course there are always special interest groups that are going to want to keep things the same.....but is this in the best interest of the sport? Also...how bout the new person coming in....if you had X amount of dollars to spend on racing, how on earth are you going to chose a boat motor combination out of the mess we have going right now? Also, if we ever have any chance at getting some sponsorship, we can't have so many classes running that essentialy look the same or go the same speed...even veteran racers get confused at times as to what class is out running....is this a good thing? We need to look at the future of the sport....

[Mike Beegle]

a polish look at the saviors of the sport. how bout a payout for placing in the top three. we r probably the only motor sport that doesn't. and combining the so and mod into one catagory, wow!! wheres my aspirin? the[mutant earthling]

Your not gonna get a pay out with out a commited series, which is not going to happen... And for a $25.00 entry fee its really not gonna happen ... In OPC our entry fee is $150 to $200.00 and last place finish were are lucky to recoup our entry fee... not to mention a racing fuel bill of $300 to $500 for a weekend..

So Dean if ya gotta raise the entry fee by 10 bucks or so dont feel bad about it, and the other racers should not complain about a small expense and commitment to keep things going..
Your scorers which make all it All happen for everyone should be getting paid for their work and travel expenses . At least a hotel paid for..

so dude i dont know ya but you dont need aspirin you need some reality pills... FYI i raced stock n mod for 10 years before OPC

Good luck with whats on your plate Dean and see ya at the Region meeting in a few weeks beers are on me and we will need those ASPIRINS

Mike Beegle

[csh2z]

Dean,

Class combinations can happen at the local level. To make this hodgepodge conglomoration of multiple motors in all these classes is not a good foundation for Stock Outboard. Confusion does not promote growth. We have to stop thinking about satisfying our own desires and focus on the perspective of newcomers. We also have to consider the effect on our motor manufacturers. Your plan is not new product friendly. We have to do everything we can to encourage racers old and new to by product from them, so we don't lose them. We need to talk. I'll send you a PM, I'd rather not do this on the net. I can't type fast at all.

[blueskyracer]

Dean,

Class combinations can happen at the local level. To make this hodgepodge conglomoration of multiple motors in all these classes is not a good foundation for Stock Outboard. Confusion does not promote growth. We have to stop thinking about satisfying our own desires and focus on the perspective of newcomers. We also have to consider the effect on our motor manufacturers. Your plan is not new product friendly. We have to do everything we can to encourage racers old and new to by product from them, so we don't lose them. We need to talk. I'll send you a PM, I'd rather not do this on the net. I can't type fast at all.

John, I really think the way to go is what you posted on the "future" thread. I really like it in a lot of ways.

[csh2z]

ASR and ASH - Essentially no change in the current class, OMC, Merc., Sidewinder.

BSR - The current Rotary Valve Hot Rod, but back at 12cc from the current 13. The addition of the 20CI (red flywheel) Sidewinder, potentially with some tweaking on the 20 to keep parity with the Hot Rod. Runabout guys decide whether it is roll up only, or roll up and sidefin.

BSH - The current 20SSH class becomes BSH, using the all the exact same rules and weights as 20SSH does now. Additionally, the 15CI Rotary Valve Hot Rod at 12CC (just like BSR above) at current BSH weight and the 20CI Sidewinder (red flywheel) at the currents 20SSH weight. (just like it is now)

CSR - The current CSR stay exactly the same in regards to weights and motors. Additionally we roll in the current 25SSR class with all its rules and weights exactly the same. We can discuss whether the Merc needs the restrictor back in it or not (that is a detail that is easily handled one way or the other)

CSH - The current CSH stays the same, no change. We discuss how to roll in the current 25SSH.

DSR and DSH - No change


Thanks,
Dean
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My proposal is a National Proposal that would benefit SO and MOD not just Midwest and Northeast. I fully understand the problems out west. However, local class scheduling does not promote growth. Please read my previous post on the B class. Local scheduling does nothing but treat the symptoms and perpetuate the problem. Now combine the fact that the cost of new equipment has gone up, a new rig cost $6-8 grand. Local scheduling will make class growth even more difficult. Now for the west coast to get BSR racing you need 4 people to jump in....it just doesn't make sense. The only class I can recommend right now to a new name is A, with the OMC or Sidewinder, or 20 and C with the 302 or D. If we cant recommend the class to a new name racer, in good faith, then it should not exist because growth is not feasible. You do not keep around a product that loses money.

I do agree with your point about equipment. I see no need to obsolete the existing equipment. Quite the contrary the existing equipment should be maintained and parity developed to keep it competitive (which is not the case in AXSH, but that is another category) If we could achieve this parity we would have great options for both ends of the economic spectrum. New equipment for the guy that has disposable income, but not disposable time. Older equipment that can still compete, but is lower cost.

If we could achieve these goals we could have "real" sustained growth Nationally!

Dean,
Is there something I missed or misinterpreted? From what I've read your plan does not call for the obseletion of older motors in Stock Outboard, therefore, there is no incentive for anybody to buy the new motors. It keeps the old motors around and competitive indefinately. Between that and your proposed elimination of the current Sidewinder 15 (B class) you may drive away the only complete motor manufacturer that we've got! That is a MAJOR CONCERN of mine. If our suppliers can't stay afloat, our future is sunk.
There is an opportunity right now to reshape Stock Outboard and make it sustainable. We have low membership, new motors available,and a viable plan to implement with nobody left on the beach or having to change categories.

[csh2z]

OOPS! Wrong thread!

[J.T24w]

I threw those figures out at a rough i dea , it did not cost me that to get into the sport. I got in cheaper than anyone i did hook up with the right people, that showed me the class and helped me all year long on the class. I am all for the simplifing of a sport, but no matter what is decided i will still be out there rolling it up cuz thats what bsr is, a roll up class. I knew the minute i posted those numbers someone would chime in on it, that was not my point. I love the sport and will grow (change) with as it goes, u have to in order to do what u love.


P.S. hey richard the plan is for u to only see the back of my boat in the first turn-24W

[17W]

P.S. hey richard the plan is for u to only see the back of my boat in the first turn-24W

Pretty bold statement! Have you purchased a Hot Rod yet? I just may dig mine out & race it......with a side fin!

[14-H]

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P.S. hey richard the plan is for u to only see the back of my boat in the first turn-24W

JT: You obviously have not raced against Richard in BSR yet. In the first turn, he only looks over his shoulder to see who he can chop!

[22W]

JT: You obviously have not raced against Richard in BSR yet. In the first turn, he only looks over his shoulder to see who he can chop!

This brings the second turn at Grass Lake to mind... Poetry in a plastic boat.

[ram95]

Okay, this thread is 14 pages of great discussion long. Here's the 'New' class structure:

A HYDRO
Yamato 80, 102,202,302(using 20ssh restrictor plate); Sidewinder 15H.. weight 380 lbs.
Merc KG4 & Mark 15, Merc20H, Hot Rod A, Sidewinder 15H using any exhaust... weight 340 lbs.

B HYDRO
Merc/Mariner 25XS..weight 420 lbs
Merc 25ss, Merc 200, OMC 22ci, Yamato 80 (mod)... weight 385
Hot Rod B, Sidewinder 20... weight 365

Now, here comes the real shocker
C HYDRO
Yamado 102,202,302,... weight 420 lbs
Merc Mark 30/30H, yamado 202,302 weight 435 lbs
Yamato 102 (mod), merc 24.1 , yamaha 24.1 ci to run same rules as yamato 202,302
omc 31.5 cu built between 76 and 99,,,, weight 435 lbs

D Hydro
Merc 44, Merc 44XS, Tohatsu 50... weight 480 lbs
Merc 40 ci, Merc 55H, weight 480 Lbs.

Tach it up!!!

Alex

[ram95]

Oh yes... and by the way.... no height restrictions. If you want to run your engine so high that it overheats and S's The Bed... do it. If you want to run your engine so high on the boat you have built that it becomes unsafe.... time will erase yer butt ... because, if you can'
t control it (don't expect "the village" to raise your dumb azzz), a referee will have a chat with you!

Let's work on this.
Alex

[Tom Williams]

Classes Consolidation AND BSR Center Fin, Chine/Roll-up Turn

I believe consolidating classes is a good idea.

In region 10 there are three or four individuals considering BSR. That would get things started here and the class would likely grow... If the class was not a chine turning/roll-up class, these individuals would likely loose interest. A side fin would be a deal breaker in BSR. We are waiting for decisions at the National meeting.

Best,
Tom