Agenda items for stock meeting

[reed28n]

Dyno Testing

One could argue if they are being held to a different standard than others.

They certainly have not had to send an engine to have Dyno’ed by an independent company like the the Tahatsu did.

I would support that. Ed Hearn has a great Hot Rod send that to be matched with the new sidewinder......let's see or even the Hot Rod Cooper Jess ran at Grass Lake this year. Those motors are the best of the best....lets dyno.

[Big Don]

Good twist.

Seems to me the SORC mandated that the Tahatsu send an engine or they were not going to legalize it… also I recall that since they missed a deadline a motion was made to eliminate the Tahatsu from the D class. Good thing that didn’t pass.

So my point is while you want to stand up on your box and preach that they are being held to different standards that is not entirely true.

[pav225]

Time/Date of Motor Discussions

Is there a roughly scheduled day/time for motor issues to be discussed at the National meeting?

- Mike

[drbyrne55]

Is there a roughly scheduled day/time for motor issues to be discussed at the National meeting?

- Mike

Mike,

Last I heard is that the schedule is being planned so as many people involved can attend. I am sure it will be posted.

Dan

[drbyrne55]

Good twist.

So my point is while you want to stand up on your box and preach that they are being held to different standards that is not entirely true.

Possibly the more experienced generational racing teams can bring some HYPOTHETICAL Sidewinder20 "parity" discussion to the table ... that way people don't need to worry about "your" 30 year old 80 or "our" 5 year old 302 being obsoleted in 20SSH ... isn't that the issue once you dig deep enough?

Dan

[reed28n]

Tohatsu

Good twist.

Seems to me the SORC mandated that the Tahatsu send an engine or they were not going to legalize it… also I recall that since they missed a deadline a motion was made to eliminate the Tahatsu from the D class. Good thing that didn’t pass.

So my point is while you want to stand up on your box and preach that they are being held to different standards that is not entirely true.

That was all during the period prior to 2008-2009. While the SORC made some mistakes the end result was a good fit. The ability to procure the Tohatsu is why we had new names in the final heats at the Nationals in D.
Let's spread that around to some other classes.....

The SORC is obligated by its own rule to work with current motor manufacturers to complete technical manuals and develop continued improvements to our sport. All of this was on track and I am confident that will continue.

In the end we need accessibility to all who wish to participate. The only equality that can be achieved in a motor sport is that everyone has the same chance to go the same speed. Let the driver's talent seperate the field.

[mercguy]

Good twist.

Seems to me the SORC mandated that the Tahatsu send an engine or they were not going to legalize it… also I recall that since they missed a deadline a motion was made to eliminate the Tahatsu from the D class. Good thing that didn’t pass.

So my point is while you want to stand up on your box and preach that they are being held to different standards that is not entirely true.

well said!!!!!!!! There are TOO MANY inconsistancies in the current sytem...........

[Matt Dagostino]

Factory Spokespersons?

Where is the statement by Mercury.

Mercury the company, a representative for the manufacturer that can speak on the behalf of Mercury. On their letterhead.......

Please post it here. From the factory.

If i recall the Racing Outboards LLC update was posted by Troy Gladkowski on another thread. Is he now the latest factory rep from the Racing Outboards LLC corporate office? He sure is a busy dude!

Later.

[Charlie Pater]

Possibly the more experienced generational racing teams can bring some HYPOTHETICAL Sidewinder20 "parity" discussion to the table ... that way people don't need to worry about "your" 30 year old 80 or "our" 5 year old 302 being obsoleted in 20SSH ... isn't that the issue once you dig deep enough?

Dan

Dan - The issue is we have new motors from a long term, cost effective, and reliable supplier for the 20 ssh class and people are proposing the Sidewinder compete with those new Yamato 302 engines in that class. It is not in the long term interest of Stock Outboard to penalize Yamato suppliers for being loyal to SO with a Sidewinder or any other motor. I am not trying to rap the Sidewinder. I just believe we need to find another home for their 20 Ci. motor.

There are many ways to introduce new equipment and retire old equipment in our class system. We just need to discuss the situation with the objective of supporting our current reliable suppliers.

Charlie

[drbyrne55]

Thanks Charlie,
I see your point .... it would be interesting to poll the 20SSH owners and drivers.

Another thread I suppose.

[Matt Dagostino]

Charlie............

Dan - The issue is we have new motors from a long term, cost effective, and reliable supplier for the 20 ssh class and people are proposing the Sidewinder compete with those new Yamato 302 engines in that class.

BINGO AGAIN..........You should run for the SORC.

[forshey99]

I'm telling myself to just push away from the keyboard, but...

I just can't resist asking a simple question.

Why is there so much hostility, skepticism, and general disdain towards Sidewinder for their efforts?

I realize that the views and opinions expressed on HR represent only a small percentage of our total community, but have we become so short-sighted and selfish that we would reject an honest effort, on the part of Sidewinder, to improve our sport in favor of personal preservation?

Nate

[14J]

If i recall the Racing Outboards LLC update was posted by Troy Gladkowski on another thread. Is he now the latest factory rep from the Racing Outboards LLC corporate office? He sure is a busy dude!

Later.

Since you so kindly brought me into this conversation I will remind you that I did not post the sidewinder report and NO I am not the factory rep for Racing Outboards. Someone requested the report so I simply provided a link to where it could be found which is right where it belongs on the APBA website for all to see (I'm sure you'll take this as some underlying support of Sidewinder).

[Matt Dagostino]

Troy.............

Since you so kindly brought me into this conversation I will remind you that I did not post the sidewinder report and NO I am not the factory rep for Racing Outboards. Someone requested the report so I simply provided a link to where it could be found which is right where it belongs on the APBA website for all to see (I'm sure you'll take this as some underlying support of Sidewinder).

I was just testing to see if you were awake! Hadn't seen you post in a while! Glad to see you are still paying attention.

[ram95]

Don, much as I agree with you regarding "different standards", what may have seemed like a workable idea yesterday may not be realistic today. I'm pretty sure, the original Champion Hot Rod (hardly a fishing motor) kinda dropped on top of the 20H. Not to be outdown, Kiekhaefer craps on the Hot Rod with the 'toilet bowl'. Hot Rod continues to up the ante', and so forth. But, BIG BUCKS MFG's prevail to put us in the mess we're in now. Trouble is NOW the big MFG's interests are elsewhere - times have changed.

I got a real kick out of your post requesting that "motor mfg's" need to provide in detail what they consist of.........But Don, UGTBSM!

I can't speak for Sidewinder, but I can tell you this. Bass Machines has sold a grand total of 23 Tohatsu's. Ten to APBA, 7 to NBRA, and 6 others. And, that's over a five year period. He has to have gear sets made 100 sets at a time or the foundry won't look at him. Then he has to inspect, finish off, and heat-treat them; then put them on the shelf. Same for other castings. All that stuff (spelled cash outlay) up on "the shelf".

And, when Bass wants to see his engine win races so he can sell some of this "stuff" he's stuck with a height restriction. And, his motor is a 42.3 cubic inch running against a factory 44 cubic inch race motor which a lot of people are still able to cobble together quite well. You are right tho - Bass Machines needs our support.

But, so does Sidewinder. Nobody else is building 15 and 20 cubic inch engines for US. I doubt that acceptance of the previous Hot Rod or the toilet bowl was predicated on a dyno run. They were, after all, just 20 cubic inch motors entering a 20 cu in class etc.

Better we look hard at how our classes are structured, so we can keep Yamato out there, and let the Sidewinder run within its displacement category(s). If it proves to be a better engine, so be it.

Alex