SideWinder Comparison?

[pav225]

Obviously, there are a lot of posts on HR regarding the SideWinder and it gets pretty emotional (for good reasons on both sides). I think the emotions get kicked into high gear because there are still a lot of unknowns regarding the new motors and their speeds compared to existing motors.

So, with that in mind, does anyone have good side-by-side test data for the 3 classes of SideWinders? For example, take Lyon's good OMC ASR set-up and have him compare it to a SideWinder ASR set-up. Do the same for the 20 cubic inch motor in 20ssH. I know it will take some dialing in, but have the same person compare the motors on the same boat and on the same day to get accurate data.

I know Pater did something similar for 25ssR and it painted a much clearer picture of true speeds between motors.

Not only would this be good for the SideWinder guys for tuning/improvements, it will give the APBA/Stock membership a good idea of what to expect in the future.

- Mike Pavlick

[Gunjumper]

Good idea.

I completely agree Mike... Who would like to offer an all expense paid trip to Florida for this test session? I will certainly be available for that one! The first snow of the year just covered my trailer, how sad.. Honestly, I do agree Mike, there's no other way to do this accuratly, just too many variables. Myself and my equipment are available for any testing/comparisons. Testing @ Ocoee available? Lets do whatever we have to to get these Sidewinders approved and remove all doubt and grey areas in the he said/she said. GL

[AZ Outlaw]

Just ran side by side with 3 Sidewinders last weekend at Parker. I can say the 3 rigs I competed against are "extremely" competitive in the "right hands" right now! Weekend results....

ASH OVERALL (combined results from 2 days of racing...no gun jumpers!)
Place Boat # Driver Name Hometown
1 80 C RJ West Manteca, CA (Sidewinder)
2 20 C Tammy Dawe Adelanto, CA (OMC)
3 84 C Jean Mackay-Schwartz San Leandro, CA (Sidewinder)
4 98 C Jeff Conant Glendale, AZ (OMC)
5 US 2 Tony Lombardo Concord, CA (Sidewinder)
6 60 C Kevin Curtis Huntington Beach, CA (OMC)
7 71 C Michael Wright Huntington Beach, CA (OMC)

Note: 98C was the only OMC to win a heat all weekend long. Tammy was not far behind R.J. in her top OMC rig on Sunday. Jean crashed out on Sunday after winning Sat. overall on time vs. R.J.

[racerchic3z]

The sidewinder ASR was raced about 6-10 times by myself, it was competitive with our good A equipment. The 20 cubic inch sidewinder was raced in 25ssr by myself 5 times was competitive with other 20 ci. hot rod along with the mercury and the Yamato 102 and 302. The 20 ci . was tested by Timmy Sidor at Lockhaven PA on his 20ssh boat and was within 2 mph of his good 20 hydro Yamato. With Further testing on the 20 ci. with carburetor, jetting, and timing we feel that it will be competitive in 20ssh. The 15 ci. was raced all year by Greg Lyons and was competitive all season with the best hot rods. Thank you very much lets move forward and make these engines legal so that stock outboard boat racing has a future.


Rich Runne

[leftcoastc-92]

A Stock Hydro

We have test our Sidewinders and OMC together and our [B]Best OMC[B] was about a mile to a half a mile faster then our Sidewinder stuff at the time. We have had a good amount of test time with the sidewinder at races and out on the lake by myself. Hope this can help.

Best wishes,
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YesBoss live

[pav225]

Just ran side by side with 3 Sidewinders last weekend at Parker. I can say the 3 rigs I competed against are "extremely" competitive in the "right hands" right now! Weekend results....

ASH OVERALL (combined results from 2 days of racing...no gun jumpers!)
Place Boat # Driver Name Hometown
1 80 C RJ West Manteca, CA (Sidewinder)
2 20 C Tammy Dawe Adelanto, CA (OMC)
3 84 C Jean Mackay-Schwartz San Leandro, CA (Sidewinder)
4 98 C Jeff Conant Glendale, AZ (OMC)
5 US 2 Tony Lombardo Concord, CA (Sidewinder)
6 60 C Kevin Curtis Huntington Beach, CA (OMC)
7 71 C Michael Wright Huntington Beach, CA (OMC)

Note: 98C was the only OMC to win a heat all weekend long. Tammy was not far behind R.J. in her top OMC rig on Sunday. Jean crashed out on Sunday after winning Sat. overall on time vs. R.J.

Thanks everyone for the input!

Based on what we know today, would it be helpful to develop a plan to gather more side-by-side comparison data? Once again, this would include using the same "rig" but swapping out the motors (on the same day) for a good/accurate comparison..... Greg has already volunteered for some time in Florida, and after today's weather in Chicago, I'd like to join him!

- Mike Pavlick

[seanp3]

I would be real interested to see a little more on the 20ci sidewinder. Has the been any dino comparisons with the Y80?

[CSR4C]

Thanks everyone for the input!

Based on what we know today, would it be helpful to develop a plan to gather more side-by-side comparison data? Once again, this would include using the same "rig" but swapping out the motors (on the same day) for a good/accurate comparison..... Greg has already volunteered for some time in Florida, and after today's weather in Chicago, I'd like to join him!

- Mike Pavlick

Side by side comparison in hydro won't work for the Sidewinder/OMC A motors. Ticked out boats with inset transoms that have been developed for the OMC don't work with the Sidewinder. Wilde's older style hydro 80-C works well with the Sidewinder. The boats of Mackay / Lombardo have been off the pace.

[AZ Outlaw]

Side by side comparison in hydro won't work for the Sidewinder/OMC A motors. Ticked out boats with inset transoms that have been developed for the OMC don't work with the Sidewinder. Wilde's older style hydro 80-C works well with the Sidewinder. The boats of Mackay / Lombardo have been off the pace.

D is correct! I tried to borrow a Sidewinder to run on my Dawecraft at Parker for Sunday, but was told it would not be a competitive or safe set-up because of my transom location... I was offered to drive one of the R11 boats that came down with Sidewiders mounted to them, but declined the gracious offer. Thought it was a good decision cause I won the first heat on Sunday with a good OMC start, but ran 4th in the second heat by getting passed on the outside by two Sidewinders............ from what I had seen on the course next to the Sidewinders, a lot of current mid pack OMC's are going to be less competitive when Sidewinders become legal, plus some boats might need to be altered to get the same set-up as an OMC under your rig....

[Team 12R]

me too.....

I would be real interested to see a little more on the 20ci sidewinder. Has the been any dino comparisons with the Y80?

i'm interested also sean... however i don't think we are going to see this anytime soon. stock outboard and dyno testing are oxy morons.

i wish you and dan would just buy one and make it the fastest motor in the country.....

region 10 are lucky to have you guys... "get er done"

[seanp3]

i'm interested also sean... however i don't think we are going to see this anytime soon. stock outboard and dyno testing are oxy morons.

i wish you and dan would just buy one and make it the fastest motor in the country.....

region 10 are lucky to have you guys... "get er done"

I'm definitely interested. However, it depends on whether the motor gets approved or not. I don't want to invest $4000+ in a motor that won't count for this year. Dan & I learned our first year not to do anything until the National meeting is over and see what they come up with.

[mercguy]

i'm interested also sean... however i don't think we are going to see this anytime soon. stock outboard and dyno testing are oxy morons.

i wish you and dan would just buy one and make it the fastest motor in the country.....

region 10 are lucky to have you guys... "get er done"

Bill says "stock outboard and dyno testing are oxy morons"

............not true....it was done for the Tohatsu vs. Merc D motor comparison ..............dyno testing is only a baseline........water testing is the actual real deal........

[MGallagher]

The problem is WHERE the current administration wants this engine to be placed. Do they want it to be competitive with a mediocre A or B...or do they want it to be competitive with top notch stuff. With all the known showings of all the different Sidewinder equipment out there and the ability of this motor to be as competitive of the teams that are running it, I believe there is no reason why this issue should be delayed any further. Racing Outboards LLC., that is doing this for NOTHING, would need for all these motors to be passed in order to stay alive as a viable company. If you want this motor and this company to have a tough year and possibly not be a viable current motor maker in the future of Stock racing, then don't vote them through!!! You HAVE your information...All of these motors run as GOOD as the racer wants them to.

IF YOU WANT TO SUPPORT THE ONLY COMPANY YOU GOT LEFT!!! VOTE THEM THROUGH!!! As for those asking about the 20ci...trust me if you have the money...GET ONE!!!

[ram95]

Make that 2!

[pav225]

So....how do we get good test data to help the SORC make an informed decision?

I think we have ASR covered with Greg L. What about the other classes?

- Mike