2010 Stock Class/Engine Structure

[Howie Nichols]

Per the new 2010 Stock Outboard Rule Book that is on APBA's website the 2010 Class/Engine Structure is listed as follows:

ASH/ASR - OMC "A", Mercury "A", Sidewinder 15S (Probationary)

BSH - Yamato 80, Yamato 302 with 7/16" restrictor, Sidewinder 20S (Probationary)

BSR - Mercury 25ss, 25XS (no restrictor), Hot Rod 20ci, Yamato 80, Yamato 302 with 9/16 or 1/2" restrictor, Yamato 102 9/16 or 1/2 restrictor, Sidewinder 20S (Probationary)

CSH/CSR - Yamato 102 & 302

DSH/DSR - Mercury Mark 55H, 402XS, Mercury /Mariner 44XS, Bass Tohatsu

15SSH/15SSR - Hot ROd 15ci, Sidewinder 15H

25SSH - Mercury 25ss, Mercury / Mariner 25xs without restrictor, Hot Rod 20ci

45SST - OMC 45ss


So watching and participating in the threads this fall is it correct to assume that the SORC will be asked to;

1. Approve the Sidewinder 15S in ASH/ASR

2. Approve the Sidewinder 20S in BSH/BSR

3. Leave the Mercury "A" as a legal motor in ASH/ASR

Other:

4. What other motor changes are up for consideration if any?

5. Personally I think that both Hydro and Runabout classes with the same letter classification should have the same motors listed as legal, ie BSH / BSR then add 25SSR back in to the class structure. It sure would make it less confusing...

If these changes go into effect can we ask the SORC to put a 5 year freeze on motor deletions from any class so we can just go race?

[14J]

If these changes go into effect can we ask the SORC to put a 5 year freeze on motor deletions from any class so we can just go race?

Howie-

I think this is an important point. Let's lock things down so people can plan for the next 3-5 years. There's a good chance that many of last year’s decisions will be over turned this year. So be it, but nothing prevents this from happening once again in 2011. Different people, different agendas. This is where things get frustrating and taxing on the wallet.

[Howie Nichols]

Ok Troy, so why did you disagree? With all of it or just a portion of it?

Not picking on you just trying to see if we can come up with a decent plan to have our Commissioners take to Seattle that they don't have to beat to death for hours. Get it done and move on basically.

[14J]

Ok Troy, so why did you disagree? With all of it or just a portion of it?

Not picking on you just trying to see if we can come up with a decent plan to have our Commissioners take to Seattle that they don't have to beat to death for hours. Get it done and move on basically.

No problem, really just one part. I don't think there is a need to use a restricted 102 in any of the classes.

Add: I know this is not a popular opinion but I would also put time tables on some of the dated, no longer manufactured equipment (30+ year old motors). At the very least stop approving aftermarket parts so these things will go away on their own in good time. I'm not here to debate this topic, just responding to your question.

[Howie Nichols]

Troy fair enough. Thanks for clearing up your response.

[14J]

Troy fair enough. Thanks for clearing up your response.

almost forgot, I'd also ban the 102 I just sold you

[Gunjumper]

I only have one point......APPROVE THE SIDEWINDERS SO THEY CAN SELL SOME MOTORS!!! Greg

[Affholter66]

Kinda sorta what we have now except this will mean more boats on the water in BSR, which I personally think is GREAT...

I would also support Howie's position of keeping 25SSR..either way works for me...and again lets not dump motors by legislation, but attrition

[Howie Nichols]

ASH/ASR - OMC "A", Mercury "A", Sidewinder 15S (Probationary)

BSH - Yamato 80, Yamato 302 with 7/16" restrictor, Sidewinder 20S (Probationary)

BSR - Mercury 25ss, 25XS (no restrictor), Hot Rod 20ci, Yamato 80, Yamato 302 with 9/16 or 1/2" restrictor, Yamato 102 9/16 or 1/2 restrictor, Sidewinder 20S (Probationary)

CSH/CSR - Yamato 102 & 302

DSH/DSR - Mercury Mark 55H, 402XS, Mercury /Mariner 44XS, Bass Tohatsu

15SSH/15SSR - Hot ROd 15ci, Sidewinder 15H

25SSH - Mercury 25ss, Mercury / Mariner 25xs without restrictor, Hot Rod 20ci

45SST - OMC 45ss

Just to clarify the above is what the 2010 Stock Rule book states right now and is what we will be racing next summer.

I would also ask that if you disagree with any of this tell us why?

Troy - I wouldn't expect anything less...

[drbyrne55]

I only have one point......APPROVE THE SIDEWINDERS SO THEY CAN SELL SOME MOTORS!!! Greg

Yes, approve them, but KEEP the restricted 302 in 2O/B.

[dholt]

I disagree

Anyone really think that restrictor should still be left out of the 25xs in 25ssR?

Hearn and Rhodes blew the Yamatos off the water.

Talk about a mismatch.

[Howie Nichols]

Dana
25SSR is gone as of Nov 1, 2009 for the 2010 race season. The 25xs is now a legal motor in BSR (along with 6 other motors) and 25SSH.

[Howie Nichols]

OK, how about this...

BSH - Yamato 80, Yamato 302 with 7/16" restrictor, Sidewinder 20S (Probationary)

BSR - Yamato 80, Yamato 302 with 7/16" restrictor, Sidewinder 20S (Probationary)

25SSH -Mercury 25ss, Mercury / Mariner 25xs without restrictor, Hot Rod 20ci

25SSR - Mercury 25ss, Mercury / Mariner 25xs without restrictor, Hot Rod 20ci

The other classes remain as printed in the 2010 book.

[blueskyracer]

Since the jist of these rules were to get rid of old engines why is the Yamato 80 still in the line up???? Is it not older than the 102???

[drbyrne55]

Anyone really think that restrictor should still be left out of the 25xs in 25ssR?

Hearn and Rhodes blew the Yamatos off the water.

Talk about a mismatch.

People say (or used to) that the OSY400/302 was too slow against the 102 Yamato. We run an OSY400/302 and had a good year. I would think the restricted 302 will continue to get more competitive. A west coaster's lap times in 25SSR at Nationals were pretty good during eliminations according to my stop watch and he had just started running the class. I'm sure he'll be faster with time and effort id allowed in BSR. It may not be such a mismatch down the road???? The readily available Yamato 302 and running it restricted really helps to keep the entry numbers up in Region 10 which I assume helps with $ revenue?