Sidewinder in A class

[KG4]

Let em all run in A.Hell i will run my KG4 in A if they would let meNo one should be left on the beach and not everyone can afford a $4500.00 engine.Run what ya brung.

[reed28n]

Run what ya Brung?

Let em all run in A.Hell i will run my KG4 in A if they would let meNo one should be left on the beach and not everyone can afford a $4500.00 engine.Run what ya brung.

We have that ability at local races now. I feel APBA and the SORC should be looking at a National platform and promoting equipment that can win.

I will guarantee that if we have a run what you brung montra that your National Champions will come from Region 6 every year. They have full fields of Stock only events and they will be the cream that rises to the top.

If there is retoric this is it! Everyone cannot afford $4,500? But you can afford to buy a Mercury for $3600 plus pay for assembly (if you can't do it yourself) and pay a third party to blue print it? Why is the Mercury math always left out of the discussion.

There will be existing racers that will want to buy the new motor and good used OMC's will be available.

[KG4]

What i mean by run what you brung is if a racer wants to run the sidewinder cool,If they want to run the merc great if they want to run the omc great.It should be whatever the racer can afford.Some can afford the new sidewinder and merc.But their is some good used omc engines for 2-3K for a racer on a tight budget.

[hydroracer25]

rhetoric?

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If there is retoric this is it! Everyone cannot afford $4,500? But you can afford to buy a Mercury for $3600 plus pay for assembly (if you can't do it yourself) and pay a third party to blue print it? Why is the Mercury math always left out of the discussion.
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Scott,
Since you used the word rhetoric, I have to assume it was a poke at my previous post. Especially since a you couldn't have come up with that word on you own (just kidding). You know I like well educated garbagemen.
Just want to re-fresh everyone's memory on a past post I made regarding cost...

Here are a few examples that provide some comparisons on cost:
Mercury (APBA J): $3695 (w/ racing gearcase), $220 shipping, ~$100 to shape gearcase, ~$300 (for someone like G Stillwill to "tune") = $4315 ($2158 / cylinder)
Sidewinder 15: ~ $4500 ($2250 / cylinder)
Bass "D": No idea on their cost, but guessing $6000+ ($2000+ / cylinder)

GRM 125: $5970 ($5970 / cylinder)
GRM 250: $8250 ($4125 / cylinder)
GRM 350: $9670 ($3223 / cylinder)

Our OMC "A" we bought in 1985 cost about $1750 (dealer discount) if I not mistaken. With a 3.0% increase compounded annually for 25 years (ie. 2010) the price would be about $3665. If it were 3.5% it would be $4135.

That is from the post http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/sho...487#post139487

As you can see the pricing really is "in line" with everything else in SO.

Mark

[csh2z]

Mark,

The first two questions you asked, you are concerned that the Sidewinder isn't performing as well as the Hot Rods right out of the box, how are they going to sell motors. In the next paragraph you are concerned that "right out of the box" the A is running competitively with the better OMC's, and assuming boat racers will, over time improve the performance even more, they will be going too fast.
As far as the 20. It has been competitive in every race it has been in, in 25SSR, including Millville against two of the best 20 Hot Rods in the country. They ran side by side for six laps.
At Lock Haven, Tim Sidor tested it on the 20 hydro said the speed was off about 2-3mph top end and he decided to run his Yamato. They didn't make any adjustments to the carb, the timing, the set-up or test props. Bear in mind when a probationary motor is being run the driver does not get any points in APBA so there isn't much incentive for guys to offer their time and effort.
I stand firmly behind my rhetoric "All three motors are competitive right now. Motors are available for all three classes.This manufacturer has accomplished everything that was expected of them. It is time for the SORC to step up and honor their commitment and approve these motors for competition."

To all, Please direct any further questions regarding the Sidewinder to:
www.racingoutboards.com or call Ed Runne or Ron Selawach

[reed28n]

Excellent Post

[QUOTE=hydroracer25;144515]

If there is retoric this is it! Everyone cannot afford $4,500? But you can afford to buy a Mercury for $3600 plus pay for assembly (if you can't do it yourself) and pay a third party to blue print it? Why is the Mercury math always left out of the discussion.
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Scott,
Since you used the word rhetoric, I have to assume it was a poke at my previous post. Especially since a you couldn't have come up with that word on you own (just kidding). You know I like well educated garbagemen.
Just want to re-fresh everyone's memory on a past post I made regarding cost...

Here are a few examples that provide some comparisons on cost:
Mercury (APBA J): $3695 (w/ racing gearcase), $220 shipping, ~$100 to shape gearcase, ~$300 (for someone like G Stillwill to "tune") = $4315 ($2158 / cylinder)
Sidewinder 15: ~ $4500 ($2250 / cylinder)
Bass "D": No idea on their cost, but guessing $6000+ ($2000+ / cylinder)

GRM 125: $5970 ($5970 / cylinder)
GRM 250: $8250 ($4125 / cylinder)
GRM 350: $9670 ($3223 / cylinder)

Our OMC "A" we bought in 1985 cost about $1750 (dealer discount) if I not mistaken. With a 3.0% increase compounded annually for 25 years (ie. 2010) the price would be about $3665. If it were 3.5% it would be $4135.

That is from the post http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/sho...487#post139487

As you can see the pricing really is "in line" with everything else in SO.

Mark

Mark, thank you for posting these inconvenient facts. I will consult you before attempting to use big words in the furture. Can we get some spell check instead of the little yellow guys?
Peace
Scott

[Big Don]

John, I thought Tim didn't run the new sidewinder because there was a piston failure during testing. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that is what maybe Ed Runne posted. Whoever said it, they also said something about it being fixed now.

Also....contact Ed Hearn if you guys want to use BIG words. My suggetion is don't use them...if you do then I can't read them.

[Kev43V]

Don Please type slower because i do not read fast Joking my friend

[leftcoastc-92]

Only saw the sidewinder run on an A Hydro once this year. And I must say I didn?t get a good feel for it. Andy Hanson put one on his A Hydro and it was out of control. So here is my question. Who all has run it on a current OMC A Hydro and what did you see and what do you think needs to happen to the boats if anything. Andy felt he needed a bigger boat. He actually pulled off the course because he felt it was unsafe. It certainly didn?t look like fun from the shoreline. He said the engine had a lot of torque and felt good.

I have ran both motors on the same boat. And yes when we first put the sidewinder on the boat it did not handle very well. but we found out with the way the foot is shape it was causing the back of the boat to height. Then we push the motor back 2" on the transom, and now the sidewinder handles like a dream, one of the funniest ride I have had.
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[csh2z]

Tony.
One of the funniest? Isn't it hard to race, when you're laughing hysterically?

[sponsonhead]

Au contraire

Tony.
One of the funniest? Isn't it hard to race, when you're laughing hysterically?

Not for Tony. He found the secret, which is not to take this stuff too seriously.

R-19

[leftcoastc-92]

I try to keep a good even mix between serious and fun! But, I really enjoy my ride in ASH with the sidewinder, and am looking forward to running it some more next year.
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[Cameraboy]

Not for Tony. He found the secret, which is not to take this stuff too seriously.

R-19

Ding Ding Ding - Winner! Winner! We have a winner! Johnny, tell Mr Gleason what he won...

[Gunjumper]

I want to give Ed and Ron big time credit, what they have accomplished is outstanding. The road ahead, however, seems to look even more difficult than the past, in my opinion. When these motors are approved, are all the Hydroracer cryers and whiners going to get fired up when the 20 is out punching a Merc 25, or when the Sidewinder A is a mile an hour faster then the OMC, or it's spanking the Merc A, or God forbid the 15 actually beats the Holy Grail 14H?! What then? We have people fighting these poor motors now, what will happen when one beats you? It's like a catch 22, sure it'll be legal but it better not win, WHAT?! IS THIS NOT RACING? I'm not being arrogent or cocky here, but read this with an open mind, my ASR is in my opinion the second fastest in the country, I have sold my OMC and will be purchasing a Sidewinder, guess what, I'll be fast next year too! The motor isn't the only variable, a motor coming out of a hard testing/racing trailer will perform well, whether it's a Sidewinder or an OMC! I will test test test, play with props, build new boats, etc. Here's a stat, I was undefeated last year in ASR in all but two races, Div's and Nat's included. So what happens next year if I win a few races again but with the Sidewinder? Chances are there will be people I beat with my OMC last year that will say, we need to slow that Sidewinder A down, he's too fast. I have one other point, your bashing a motor that is currently produced/available, will be for many years. Show me the parity with the "Special" Merc 25 that Eddie runs, there were what two of them at the Nats?! He wins every darn year, explain parity for me, I was the last Yamato to beat him at the 07 Nat's and that was because he jumped! Leave those two engines run (Brains and Eddie) but argue and gripe over a consistent motor that will be offered to everyone, no exeptions, no "Holy Grail" Hot rods, you don't need to be a Feby or Hearn to have a fast one, they are all the same, cut a check and have the same horsepower as the trailer next to you. Approve these engines, attrition will take care of the rest. Think about our future........Greg

[bill hoctor]

Sidewinder

Greg........ What a G R E A T post !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bill