Stock chairman for 2010?

[thepiranhabros]

Mike, thanks for taking the time for some well-reasoned and valid responses. Makes for the type of discussion I like having over a beer.

In response to your question about new folks buying older motors, that's absolutely a great way for new people to enter our sport. As long as they have their eyes open in terms of expectations (eyes opened by the info they can access here and from the existing racing family). If they know they are buying a starter rig that in a couple of years they pass on to another newbie when they invest in newer & faster stuff, that's the best case. If they want to quit a couple of years later because they are falling back in the pack as their equipment ages further, then that should be due to their own stubborness, not because we as a family have done them a disservice in the advice we are giving.

Mike: Absolutely correct! We need to be good stewards when it comes to selling our old equipment to new incoming racers by laying it all out on the table (in terms of reasonable expectations) before money even changes hands. The last thing I ever want to see is a racer walk away from our sport with a bad taste in their mouth because they were, in effect, sold a bill of goods by somebody "overselling" their used stuff. We should, and I think for the most part, we all do, hold ourselves to a higher standard rather than try to make a fast buck to get out from our old equipment. Caveat emptor has no place in our sport when it comes to selling old equipment to a new racer.

As for that beer, if you're ever in Northern Illinois, look me up. I will do likewise if I'm ever out on the left side.

Thanks!
Michael Mackey
21-V

[26V]

Chairman?

So back to the original pupose of this thread.
In corner number 1 we have Scott Reed.
In corner number 2 we have Fassst Edie Hearn.
Any one else want to through their hat in the Ring?

[Howie Nichols]

So back to the original pupose of this thread.
In corner number 1 we have Scott Reed.
In corner number 2 we have Fassst Edie Hearn.
Any one else want to through their hat in the Ring?

I must have missed where Ed said he is running????

[MARATHONMAN]

I nominate Big Mike Ross . You got my vote Big Daddy

[bill boyes]

If 14H becomes the SORC Chairman he would have to forfeit his APBA BOD position. Per BY-LAWS.

[swheeler]

I think this is a great idea for Sidewinder and the SORC to eventually shoot for. However, in playing the devil's advocate, wouldn't this make for another 3 motor class? To me it sounded like that is part of the reason why the Merc has been taken out of A for 2010 (not saying this is good or bad, just making a point).

Personally I believe in an entry level class, which essentially is what the AXS and arguably the A class is, a wider option on motor choice (and the variety of classes one can run them in) is a good thing for new racers. I can attest that when starting out, being able to run 4 heats a day vs. only 2 heats a day makes the distance traveled to a race site much more enjoyable and worthwhile. Maybe this could be a platform for younger/newer racers purchasing the "A" Sidewinder

Without taking a position on if the sidewinders should be introduced into the AX classes it should be noted that the SORC has no authority over the J and AX classes as these classes are not part of the stock catagory.

[reed28n]

Let's focus on the racers we don't have for a minute.

My thoughts on the A class

Keep the OMC as it it is.

Put the Merc back in the class as it is, NO more modifications.

Keep the Sidewinder in as it is.

Keep the current weights, do not adjust them per which motor you run.

If the Merc is slower (like it is now except for a few) then so be it, you can run it if you like, fill in the class if you like, but know it "probably" will not win.

As time goes on, people WILL migrate to whatever is the fastest motor if that is what they want or will at least have the option to keep running the old stuff and finsih as they may.

I disagree with the thought of (per current rules) if you want to run the Merc in A to have more water time you can do it locally. This does little to nothing to help the class. Example - If 7 A boats are at the Divisionals then no "qualifier" would make it in for the Nationals, but if someone with a Merc elected to run then there is your 8th boat because it is a "legal" entry.

Again just my thoughts / opinion.

These are all good points and were discussed ad nauseam. Many phone calls among members conference calls and then again at our meeting. These issues were not and are not taken lightly. We considered "what do we want to be as a National platform." I agree with everyone here that seat time for younsters is the most important key. I believe we can get them that seat time with more heats or races of classes that they participate in. I do not believe we need duplicate classes that all run the same motors.

I mention focusing on new drivers.
Where is the pool of new drivers going to come from?
How much free time will they have and where will they be able to test their new equipment?

It is very likely we will get a new driver that will only be able to run his/her race boat at the race course on the days of our sanctioned events. It is our duty to be good stewards of our sport (as has be mentioned on this thread) and as good stewards we are obligated to do everything we can to help our new found competitors with racing equipment that they can easily find parts for, buy as a race ready unit and maybe even win with.

So, we need to include the drivers we have not met yet in our conversations about what is good for our sport. Because those people that will race in the near future are the racers you will rely on to host your events and to be competitors you will race against.

We need these new drivers to make good racing investments. This will insure their success and secure our future. New motors helps us do that very thing. Local racing with a nationally competitive classes.

We have 330,000,000 potential racers that we should consider in addition to the 400 we have.

[smirnoff]

Fantasy

Hmmm......after reading all the threads (politics) on this topic, ask yourself, is this sport really that enticing for new prospective racers (other than the current 400) to spend their money to engage in

[Matt Dagostino]

Hey Smirnoff...................

Hmmm......after reading all the threads (politics) on this topic, ask yourself, is this sport really that enticing for new prospective racers (other than the current 400) to spend their money to engage in

Well, it sure beats cutting the grass on the weekends!

Jump in a good CSH and come out and play!

Politics are politics but we all know the BS stops when the green flag drops!

[blueskyracer]

Politics are politics but we all know the BS stops when the green flag drops![/QUOTE]

I like that

[drbyrne55]

. I do not believe we need duplicate classes that all run the same motors.

Byrne Bros Racing, like many other here in the NW, race because of the the 302 Yamato. Being able to run multiple classes with the 302; 20SS, CSH, OSY400 ..... makes it appealing especially the newbie.

[blueskyracer]

Byrne Bros Racing, like many other here in the NW, race because of the the 302 Yamato. Being able to run multiple classes with the 302; 20SS, CSH, OSY400 ..... makes it appealing especially the newbie.

Thats why we run it. You spend all that money to get to a race you want to race as much as your body can put up with.

[Matt Dagostino]

Well Said.......................

Byrne Bros Racing, like many other here in the NW, race because of the the 302 Yamato. Being able to run multiple classes with the 302; 20SS, CSH, OSY400 ..... makes it appealing especially the newbie.

Since Stock Outboarder's do not have fans and sponsors to impress i have felt over the years that we need to focus on motors like the 302 that is capable of running in several different classes thereby giving the DRIVER the biggest bang for their buck!!

I will say i do not support multilpe motors in any single class. I think we need to phase out the older motors and give the advantage to the currently produced engines and phase out the older motors in time. Note, i said in TIME.

Enjoy the day!

[Cameraboy]

Byrne Bros Racing, like many other here in the NW, race because of the the 302 Yamato. Being able to run multiple classes with the 302; 20SS, CSH, OSY400 ..... makes it appealing especially the newbie.

Gee Dan, if you guys ran runabout, think of how many more classes you could run.

[drbyrne55]

[QUOTE=Matt Dagostino;142714]Since Stock Outboarder's do not have fans and sponsors to impress i have felt over the years that we need to focus on motors like the 302 that is capable of running in several different classes thereby giving the DRIVER the biggest bang for their buck!!

I will say i do not support multilpe motors in any single class. I think we need to phase out the older motors and give the advantage to the currently produced engines and phase out the older motors in time. Note, i said in TIME.

Enjoy the day![/QUOTE

In some cases the bang for the buck goes beyond the driver .... we are a team all having a great time in our given capacities. But in reality the 302 is behind our bang for our buck. It's been a fun 2 years and look forward to making the 302 go faster!