What your true cost of APBA membership

[G Stillwill]

Don Im just glad you got the Dyson thing figured out I didnt have that problem with the Maytag I read the instructions before I put it on the boat

[blueskyracer]

Your correct Don. NBRA is really more like NFL. We have corporate sponsors and most importantly get paid to race at every event. APBA stock is more like arena football, where you hope some day to be getting paid to race but, your willing to foot your own bills for most everything so that you can do what you like to do (race). Spot on analogy.

Now thats a good one

[bill van steenwyk]

Your correct Don. NBRA is really more like NFL. We have corporate sponsors and most importantly get paid to race at every event. APBA stock is more like arena football, where you hope some day to be getting paid to race but, your willing to foot your own bills for most everything so that you can do what you like to do (race). Spot on analogy.

How very apropos and polite besides. (except for USTS)



Probably the best "gotcha" this year so far to a post, although I am sure Eddie will chime in with a different opinion.

[Big Don]

I agree NBRA is doing some great things in your organization. That’s not the point. I have never said a bad thing about any other organization. And honestly most APBA member don’t either. It tends to be, in my opinion, other organizations members taking shots at APBA or people that can’t deal with change or the attempt to have change.

My point is, we have a lot of differences, and APBA has to focus on a lot more than the other organizations do.

But once again let me remind you of the some APBA numbers... to make my point.

APBA has over 100 classes to manage….NBRA ????
APBA has over 300 days of racing….NBRA????
I could go on and on, hopefully you get the point. And that is not a dig. It’s just a fact.

All I’m saying is stop with the comparisons and stop the slamming of each other. If you dislike APBA so much, go play with one of the other organizations… no one is stopping you…why be such hater?

[Big Don]

How very apropos and polite besides. (except for USTS)



Probably the best "gotcha" this year so far to a post, although I am sure Eddie will chime in with a different opinion.

Bill that's because they only look for the negative in everything and don't see the success that USTE has had. You guys are part of the bad organization.

[bill van steenwyk]

Bill that's because they only look for the negative in everything and don't see the success that USTE has had. You guys are part of the bad organization.

Not to be unpleasantly disagreeable Don (surprise) but I have known and raced at combined events with a lot of the older NBRA folks, and had many other interactions with a lot of them over the years, buying/selling equipment, friendships outside racing, etc. I absolutely DO NOT get that impression at all from any of them I know.

I had the pleasure of renewing some of those old friendships at the DePue Nationals with Leonard Miller, Dudley Malone, Art Kampen, all of whom I used to race with at races here in Missouri and Oklahoma, and other locations in the midwest when sanctioning joint category events with NOA and then AOF.

I can guarantee you that something one of them said in a post several weeks ago about "live and let live" is very true, especially among the older ones in the group.

Not much if anything will be or is to be gained, by recriminations now about "who said this first, who did what to who" or other similar types conversation, but they have just quietly gone about their business, promoting the sport, and have the type program now that their members want and are thriving with.

Rather than continue to criticize them about "their insurance is not this, they don't have 300 days of racing, they don't have X number of categories to keep up with," some of those making the most noise about these things might put their head down and work as hard as they have done. Good things happen that way, and they have no way to go but up.

As far as USTS being part of the "bad organization" I could not disagree more with your assessment of that situation and NBRA members. If you were to talk to some of the leaders of the group, you might find they have patterned themselves greatly after the USTS program, intentional or not, as far as tow money, limited program, and limited rule book, so as to encourage participation in their classes and events.

In fact, if you really talked to some of them, you might find they admire USTS for the race program model they have developed, and have accomplished for their (NBRA) members with that program. Its a good idea not to "assume" to much about an organization you are not part of or have not taken the time to closely investigate.



ADD for "Big Don". By the way, thanks very much for the best wishes about my health on the other thread when I was yanking Eddies chain. You were the only one thoughtful enough that took the opportunity to do that, and it is appreciated. You only really appreciate life when you get close to losing it. Might be the reason so many here love boat racing, as I have come close both ways over 40 years.

[mr.b51]

Someone please make it plane and simple. How much for one weekend and one class in PRO?

[Big Don]

Not to be unpleasantly disagreeable Don (surprise) but I have known and raced at combined events with a lot of the older NBRA folks, and had many other interactions with a lot of them over the years, buying/selling equipment, friendships outside racing, etc. I absolutely DO NOT get that impression at all from any of them I know.

I had the pleasure of renewing some of those old friendships at the DePue Nationals with Leonard Miller, Dudley Malone, Art Kampen, all of whom I used to race with at races here in Missouri and Oklahoma, and other locations in the midwest when sanctioning joint category events with NOA and then AOF.

I can guarantee you that something one of them said in a post several weeks ago about "live and let live" is very true, especially among the older ones in the group.

Not much if anything will be or is to be gained, by recriminations now about "who said this first, who did what to who" or other similar types conversation, but they have just quietly gone about their business, promoting the sport, and have the type program now that their members want and are thriving with.

Rather than continue to criticize them about "their insurance is not this, they don't have 300 days of racing, they don't have X number of categories to keep up with," some of those making the most noise about these things might put their head down and work as hard as they have done. Good things happen that way, and they have no way to go but up.

As far as USTS being part of the "bad organization" I could not disagree more with your assessment of that situation and NBRA members. If you were to talk to some of the leaders of the group, you might find they have patterned themselves greatly after the USTS program, intentional or not, as far as tow money, limited program, and limited rule book, so as to encourage participation in their classes and events.

In fact, if you really talked to some of them, you might find they admire USTS for the race program model they have developed, and have accomplished for their (NBRA) members with that program. Its a good idea not to "assume" to much about an organization you are not part of or have not taken the time to closely investigate.



ADD for "Big Don". By the way, thanks very much for the best wishes about my health on the other thread when I was yanking Eddies chain. You were the only one thoughtful enough that took the opportunity to do that, and it is appreciated. You only really appreciate life when you get close to losing it. Might be the reason so many here love boat racing, as I have come close both ways over 40 years.

Bill, agree there are a lot of good people in all the organizations.

[Dave M]

Way off Topic

The NBRA does not compare its organization to the APBA. We compare ourselves to what we know best, kneel down boat racing. Maybe I am speaking out of line here, but in my involvment within the poltics of the NBRA I can't think of one thing that has caused such animosity as to turn any of us against one another. Not one. To compare number of races, and number of classes is absurd, and not even fair to be honest. So I say foul on that. The NBRA offers ONE catergory. There is no Stock, there is no MOD. It is one category. it is ONE rulebook, it is ONE program for the weekend. We don't pretend to know what we don't know, and that is inboards, OPC, Unlimiteds, offshore, Jet Ski's, Jet Boats, bathtubs, etc. So to compare apples to apples, please don't lump the NBRA into a multiple category organization. It is not. It is grass roots racing at it's best.

I truly don't think the NBRA was modeled after the USTS, that was merely a model that works for the USTS, and something similar works for the NBRA. They are not exact copies, but it is a format that seems to be working pretty well. You know an organization is getting more attention when it is being called out and compared to another in a way that is not even fair. This is not a shot at you Don either, not in the least. But it is not fair to compare the NBRA to the APBA. The NBRA does not intend to adopt everything APBA has. The model we have is working, we are keeping it real, friendly to the racer, and it thrives because it is all about the racer, and not anything else. Personally, I would not like it to become an APBA, or even a joint sanction type of event. We don't need the stress and drama to cross over.......... We don't need to grow in that way. We can handle ourselves and we intend to do it well. If we can get every racer in the NBRA enough expense money at each race to cover the costs of all travel and hotel expenses, and maybe a few bucks left over, it will be more than enough to grow. Will we change ? I hope not, becasue it is working. We might have some change, additions, subtractions as is needed to grow a little.

Simply put, don't compare the two organizations, we might run the same hulls and engines, and even have some of the drivers race each, but the two are very different.

Okay, back to seeing what you get for two hundos in APBA as Howard has the floor. (his thread)

[blueskyracer]

The NBRA does not compare its organization to the APBA. We compare ourselves to what we know best, kneel down boat racing. Maybe I am speaking out of line here, but in my involvment within the poltics of the NBRA I can't think of one thing that has caused such animosity as to turn any of us against one another. Not one. To compare number of races, and number of classes is absurd, and not even fair to be honest. So I say foul on that. The NBRA offers ONE catergory. There is no Stock, there is no MOD. It is one category. it is ONE rulebook, it is ONE program for the weekend. We don't pretend to know what we don't know, and that is inboards, OPC, Unlimiteds, offshore, Jet Ski's, Jet Boats, bathtubs, etc. So to compare apples to apples, please don't lump the NBRA into a multiple category organization. It is not. It is grass roots racing at it's best.

I truly don't think the NBRA was modeled after the USTS, that was merely a model that works for the USTS, and something similar works for the NBRA. They are not exact copies, but it is a format that seems to be working pretty well. You know an organization is getting more attention when it is being called out and compared to another in a way that is not even fair. This is not a shot at you Don either, not in the least. But it is not fair to compare the NBRA to the APBA. The NBRA does not intend to adopt everything APBA has. The model we have is working, we are keeping it real, friendly to the racer, and it thrives because it is all about the racer, and not anything else. Personally, I would not like it to become an APBA, or even a joint sanction type of event. We don't need the stress and drama to cross over.......... We don't need to grow in that way. We can handle ourselves and we intend to do it well. If we can get every racer in the NBRA enough expense money at each race to cover the costs of all travel and hotel expenses, and maybe a few bucks left over, it will be more than enough to grow. Will we change ? I hope not, becasue it is working. We might have some change, additions, subtractions as is needed to grow a little.

Simply put, don't compare the two organizations, we might run the same hulls and engines, and even have some of the drivers race each, but the two are very different.

Okay, back to seeing what you get for two hundos in APBA as Howard has the floor. (his thread)

Atta boy Dave

[Big Don]

Dave could not agree more. That's all I was trying to say.

I know you were not taking a shot at me.

Sometimes it hard to get across what we all mean in type.

Well most of the time anyway

[ram95]

Nice parade folks.. but

Look... the bottom line here is: What are we getting for the money we are paying.

Don't hand me all that superfluous crap about how I spend x-amount on coffee per day, or oatmeal, or Bud-Lite. What I spend my discretionary income on is exactly my-business. The fact I like Molson Canadien instead of that Bud-lite swill doesn't amount to a pizzhole in the snow - I like what I get for what I pay.

So, if 'You' like what you get for your APBA dues money, etc... good for you. But, 'You' are not necessarily representative of all the little folks out there who want to go boat racing but, who just can't justify the expense a 600 mile round-trip/weekend of boatracing. These people... my friends (yeah.. I'm speaking to "You") are people who are trying to build a house and raise a few toddlers. Their priorities are directed by a budget... and up here in New England and other lower-income areas of the U.S. of A... is what trumps a $200 buck membership and a 600 mile road-trip. Friendships aside.

Sorry folks.... I don't mean to pizz on yer parade here but, that's the bottom line.

Alex
Region One, Commisioner of Stocks
APBA11195

[pav225]

huh?

What are you talking about?

[thepiranhabros]

I think I get it now.

Not only are current leaders spending thousand of your dollars on "special projects" that they claim will save and grow the memebrship but they have quietly raised your membership cost.
After a nearly a year of having to print the wonderfull 4 color propeller electronic publication they have pushed the cost of the publication on to the membership, You now pay for the Paper and ink!
2 black ink cartrages and 1 color ink cartrage used to print the publication the cost added up to $75.98.
If you add in the cost of now having to print your own race circulars and the propeller on your paper basically your membership cost is up $100.00 a year no matter what level of membership you chose!
Add in the cost they raised the membership $25.00 to cover the social media/computer upgrade and it comes to a modest $125.00!
Oboy the story just get's better every time you anylize this great NEW APBA movement to the social media movement!
Yes they saved $35,000 buy not producing the PROPELLER MAGAZINE each month but it was simply passed on to the membership unless you were smart enought to not waste your $$ printing it.

Enjoy the ride and hang onto your wallet!
R10 #1487

Howard:

I think I get it now. You're pissed off because you spend your money to print the .PDF version of the Propeller and race sanctions/circulars. And in your usual delusional way, you think you can add that expense to the cost of your annual APBA membership.

Here's a clue for you. (I hope you're sitting down because this is going to blow you away.)

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PRINT THESE THINGS! (Yes, I am yelling.)

The idea of the .PDF is that it is an electronic archive that you can reference from any computer or mobile device. Tell me you print every e-mail message you receive, because honestly, it wouldnt surprise me.

It's time for you to quit stirring the pot for stirring's sake. If you have something intelligent to contribute; some new idea that could really gain traction and go somewhere; go ahead and stir away. I might even agree with you or come to your defense. (For what you see as my arrogance is really about the most open mind you will ever know.) But if your intent is to just raise hell just for fun, maybe you should just go away quietly.

Respectfully,

[Big Don]

What are you talking about?

Sorry for my rants lately. The medicine I was on was making me more irrational than normal.

I think he's talking about pizzing in the snow but I'm not sure...