New J Engine?

[aojesus]

goals

We tried this venture a number of years ago in CBF (mini-most project) we had it down to some simple rules any motor under 10hp, stock prop, mini-most hull and of course the proper APBA/CBF safety gear.

Sadly we were voted down as the groups thought that the Water mouse was the boat of the future so they voted to go with that project instead of the mini-most.

We went the mini-most hull because it is simple to build, is a great parent child project na dthe boat is a whole lot of fun to drive. I personally have one that we did in marine ply, painted it up like a vintage racer and slapped on an old Mercury rocket that we bought at a garage sale for $25.00. The boat will run in the mid 20's is an abolute blast to run. Although it is not the fleetest of looking boats it is a fun project, so my hats off to the folks for going with this I think it is a great way to encourage new folks. And if they don't like racing after trying it, they make a great toy for the cottage!

That watermouse project really worked out well didn't it?
You summed it up perfectly Bob, and it is what we were looking at for the AOF Region 5 area. I have been told that other regions in AOF have folks building the minimost with a Briggs motor.
Our goals were....
1)Safe stable hull
2)Low cost hull and motor
3)Quality family time both building and using the boat
4)level playing field

I was also told one of the Lady Canadian racers learned the fundamentals in a minimost.

You guys started a great movement a few years ago and I applaud you!

RussW

[fernandez32112]

thinkers, do'ers

Rome was'nt built in a day!!!!! All great things are a result of trial & error!!!!!!!!

"Great minds are too often misunderstood"
-Albert Einstein

After he invented the atom bomb.........

[PopPop]

Tony, from an earlier post ...

1987 ASR OMC 143 participants ... 86 participants in 1997
1989 ASH OMC 165 participants ... 97 participants in 1999

There must be at least about 68 motors out there somewhere ...

They are in trailers, as second and third A motors.
Einstein didn't invent the atom bomb. He provided the primary theories.

[14-H]

Top Of The List

Steve: Order a Briggs. I just ordered mine. Cost me $550. Staron's got the reworked props comin' soon. I'm sure you'd get a Briggs faster than anything else you can order.

BTW: What's grandpa doin' out until 5 AM? Eddie.

[14-H]

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Einstein didn't invent the atom bomb. He provided the primary theories.

He provided THE primary theory: that of Relativity. Actually Einstein's role was more that of a politician. He personally wrote FDR and warned that the Germans might get it first if the Allies didn't beat them to it. Eddie.

[ricochet112]

[QUOTE=14-H;77018]Steve: Order a Briggs. I just ordered mine. Cost me $550. Staron's got the reworked props comin' soon. I'm sure you'd get a Briggs faster than anything else you can order.

Ed, could you please post the name, number, web site, ect... for the place you got it at for $550.

I will order a few and sell them at my shop if I could get them at $130 below my dealer cost!!!

Any freight charges on that $550?

MIke

[14-H]

550

It was used and yes it included freight of 50 bucks. Ed.

[guedo499]

Fishing!

They are in trailers, as second and third A motors.

I use mine to go trolling on Sunday afternoons. Works great!

[ricochet112]

It was used and yes it included freight of 50 bucks. Ed.

Used! Well that explaines why it was so cheap.

[propnuts]

I didn't realize how screwed up our sport is...

until I had the following conversation with one of the new J dads at the museum Saturday:
Me: A guy has an OMC and a Merc for sale, pretty good prices too.
Him: Carl said he wouldn't get the Merc, what about the OMC? My son and I are pretty competitive and we want something that has the possibility of winning someday soon.
Me: The OMC is a good deal, but if you really want to win with it, you'll have to give it to someone to machine a little, this is stock racing after all (sheepish grin). I would probably go with the Merc if I were you.
Him: Why did Carl say he wouldn't buy it?
Me: Because nobody around here wins with the Mercury, but at nationals you need a Merc to win.
Him: Huh?
Me: Well, there's a couple people in the midwest that have really hot Mercuries, but apparently you can't get the guy that builds them to work yours. Come to think of it, if you want to have a fast J motor right off the bat I think your hosed pal.

What an emberassing conversation to have with a guy that we talked into building a J hydro with his son. We need to fix this soon. I'm not sure anyone should expect to come into a motor sport and win right away, but they should at least be able to buy competitive stuff.

Tony

[Tad Olson]

EBay New Motor

Here is a new motor for $730 shipping included.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...DME:B:EF:US:11

Tad.

[Dave M]

Steve

All cards are already accepted by AOF and NBRA at their major races. APBA does not accept their cards.

For the J frustrations.... I feel your pain friend, indeed I do. It is so bad in fact that my good friend and team mate has pretty much decided it was not worth it after 5 years into the sport. Kind of heart breaking to see it unfolding and not being able to help because of parity issues. To have both his kids racing, he needs to invest well over $10,000.00 into the rigs to run up front. Well over $10,000.00... that is a very base price. Most likley it will only get them in the top 5.

I can run Pro for a lot less than that..... sad but true. I can run NBRA and run up front for a fraction of that cost, and most likley AOF as well.

Sad, but true. I sincerely hope it changes very soon so the sport can grow. This is grass roots racing, not a professional sport to be taken like Nascar and most pro Go Kart races.

Everyone advertises this sport as a family sport... well it is not. It is best suited for bachelor or bachelorett who has some money. For a dad and or mom to invest into this and stick with it is tough. If dad wants to run and you have one kid, expect a 20K investment to be very competitive... that needs to change. I feel 10K is to much for a family to want to invest into the sport and be competitive. Maybe I am wrong, but how much has the sport grown in the last 10 years ? Not much. You have categories combining at race sites to get enough participants to offset the costs of the race. How is that growth ? I am not against that in any way, just pointing out some facts.

Maybe Ron Hill, Bless his long winded stories, is thinking along the right lines ?? I feel he is on the right track for the most part. Our sport has to change with the times, even if it means changing everything we do currently.

[14-H]

until I had the following conversation with one of the new J dads at the museum Saturday:***Tony

Tony: this is not a problem with our sport. This is a problem with gossip and believing everything you hear without checking it out.

First, there are at least three people east of the Mississippi building really fast Merc engines, not just one.

Second, the guy that built the Merc that won the AXSH nationals builds engines for multiple people all around the country.

Third, (and most importantly) you have one of the great Merc engine builders in the country living in Region 10. His last name is Myers. I don't know anyone who is actively tapping this resource.

Fourth, Harry Brinkman of Indiana put out a really good publication a few years ago and I think you can still get copies from him. He titles it "How to Modify Your Mercury Outboard." I believe he put out a supplement entitled "How Two". While this publication is about modified Mercurys, it has some very good information about engine assembly, rings and maintenance that can transfer into Stock use. I'm quite sure Brinkman would sell additional copies if asked. He lives in Leesburg, Indiana and is in the phone book.

Finally, and this is some advice beyond just this sport: don't listen to nay-sayers. If nothing else, it'll improve your outlook on life.

Ed.

[dholt]

$10K Dave?

Sure, to put 2 'J' drivers on the water and want to win, you could spend $10k?

$2500 per motor
2 new boats...$2500.

Yes...putting 2 drivers in top notch equipment could be pricey.

But how much is a brand new 350 engine? How much for a brand new 350 boat? You telling me that doesn't add up to near 10K? And you haven't even bought props yet...or any spare parts...which you'll certainly need in Pro compared to an OMC.

You're not speaking honestly, dude.

And where do you get $20k for an up front 'J' rig and an up front adult rig?

I paid a total of $2600 to get my 2 time National champ Y-80 motor. The boat...less than $2k. Props? $300-$345. I have 9 right now...sold 3 a couple years ago. Not bad expense for 7 years in the class.

Where are you getting these fantasy numbers? Just because someone may spend a ton of $$ to win doesn't mean everyone has.

[BP125V]

not a family sport?

Dave,

don't you and your dad race?

How about Steve Hearn and his 3 kids, Fred Hauenstein and his 2 kids, my dad and his 3 kids, Tad and Angela Olson and their kid, Tom Sutherland and his 2 kids, Steve and Rachel Warnock, the Miskeriks, the Sweeneys, the Harringtons, the Holts, Johnstons, Trolians, Ron Hill, Terzinskis, Hemps, etc etc etc. HOW ABOUT THE 37 PEOPLE IN THE ALLEN FAMILY!!!!! I am just barely scratching the surface here and you know it.

why do people expect to race and win without spending any time or money on the sport? at least we don't have to deal with consumables like tires. think those are cheap?

I've got a great idea, there are plenty of www.fireyourcoach.com sites dedicated to doing nothing but bashing a given pro/college coach, how about some of you out there who have nothing possitve to say about Stock Outboard, even though it is bigger than MOD and PRO combined, get your own site and fire away.

gotta go, I've got sanction/insurance stuff to fill out so we can go racing this summer.

Bill Pavlick III

PS my club paid for one day memberships at our Rochelle, IL race last year for NBRA members and we have AOF listed as co-host for our DePue and Rochelle races (again)

how come the guys complaining about the differences between APBA - AOF - NBRA are the ones that keep driving the knife in deeper? enough already!!!