U.S. A-Team in Italy

[14J]

As pointed out to me last night the trailing edge or outside edge of the sponsons don't meet the 1/2" thickness rule therefore the first seven euro boats should be disqualified per UIM regulations.


Billy Wins!

Go USA.....................

[racnbns]

The Winner Is----

Yes, yes I do......

Ian----

Does that include that 2 wheeler on the BLACKTOP? YUK-YUK-YUK!

Bruce

[ian]

Ian----

Does that include that 2 wheeler on the BLACKTOP? YUK-YUK-YUK!

Bruce

Ouch....no really.....ouch......

[STEVE FRENCH]

Ouch....no really.....ouch......

I witness'd that!!.....Dang crack in Park'n lot......Lock Haven........... .............

[G Stillwill]

Great job by Billy and Todd over there. As I do build boats I have looked at a few different EURO boats and the differances are to much to list compared to what we race here.

[Dave M]

Good Stuff

When the Worlds are over here, what boats typically win ? Here is a hint, it is not the full blown Euro as riged and raced over the pond.

All things aside, ANYONE who takes the sport of boat racing so seriously as to box up a boat and motor and ship it overseas and race it is good in my book. We all like to win, we race to win. However, the road to victory is paved with many crossroads. Enjoy them all.

[jmccoy]

Mis-Information

I read the posts on this website an am amazed by the mis-information. David I have not seen you at a Title Series race in years but you can comment on boats without any knowledge what so ever. Your comment “it is not the full blown Euro as rigged and raced over the pond”. Quite to opposite is accurate. European boats in the USTS are the class of the field. They are faster, turn better and can run over most any water. Faster, check the record in 250 set with a GRM/Rossi Engine and a Trombetta 112mph.with his competition setup. Here are the guys dominating the USTS this year and the boats they run.
125H: David Tenney: KALA
175H: Michael Schmidt: KALA
Curt Nydahl: Rossi
250H: Nydahl’s 2 Mostes
Michael Schmidt: Mostes Copy
Chris Hellsten: Mostes Copy/just got new Trombetta
BJ Tetro: Mostes copy
350H: Gary Buskirk: Mostes/Just got new Trombetta
Chris Hellsten was winning with a Mostes copy.
Do others occasionally sneak in a win,, certainly, it’s a boat race and the top guys don’t always finish. Incidentally, a container with 5 Euro boats just hit the USA. I believe there were 4 Trombettas and a Mostes in the container.

Rex Hall: Let me say that most of you have never been to Europe, let alone raced there or seen a European boat but you are somehow authorities on the subject. Rex Hall is one of the top guys in Pro racing in the world. As a competitor he won 9 national championships and 2 world championships in the PRO Division racings toughest.. His son Doug has countless wins in 500 & 700H and I believe 2 world championships., Some of you will challenge that statement. Let’s see you show up at a Title Series race and take a 350H of 500R into the 1st turn at over 100.mph. Today, Rex is the USA GRM/Rossi Distributor and works hand in hand with Giuseppe Rossi developing the GRM/Rossi engines. If you look at the GRM website you’ll see engines with an R following the model #. That stands for REX. Probably the only individual in the USA that has spent more time in Europe racing would be Ralph Donald. Incidentally, Giuseppe trains the Italian drivers for OSY. I believe he has 3 European OSY’s in his shop. Is Rex familiar with them, of course?

I posted 5-6 years ago before a World’s at Lake Alfred how fast the Europeans were running…gave speeds and said practice, practice. The responses were similar to your responses to Herbie. After words I said TOLD YOU SO, they kicked our butts and usually do.

Many of you will challenge this post as you did Rex’s ..your welcome to do so; you may wish to check into my racing background, over 300 wins , my sponsorship background (both Hellsten’s drove for me Chris & Curt. We won most everything in 250 & 350 from 1997-2003. Many of the records still stand) and my GRM/Rossi Distributor background. You see I preceded Rex as the USA GRM/Rossi distributor. Much like Rex I have spent considerable time in Europe with Giuseppe.

[paul jillings]

A true WC!

As an observer from this side of the pond, you can rest assured that all the organisers, competitors and fans that attended the OSY WC in Barcis would have been delighted to see the USA team. This gives real kudos and means that unlike a lot of the titles raced for - it is a true global WC.

I am sure those that made the trip had a great time, enjoyed some close racing, made many friends and will try harder next year! If it was easy to win there would be no challenge.....

Should also be worth noting that these races held up in the mountains have "hard" water and the pro engine builders hate them due to the altitude!

[Dave M]

Stand Corrected

I read the posts on this website an am amazed by the mis-information. David I have not seen you at a Title Series race in years but you can comment on boats without any knowledge what so ever. Your comment “it is not the full blown Euro as rigged and raced over the pond”. Quite to opposite is accurate. European boats in the USTS are the class of the field. They are faster, turn better and can run over most any water. Faster, check the record in 250 set with a GRM/Rossi Engine and a Trombetta 112mph.with his competition setup. Here are the guys dominating the USTS this year and the boats they run.
125H: David Tenney: KALA
175H: Michael Schmidt: KALA
Curt Nydahl: Rossi
250H: Nydahl’s 2 Mostes
Michael Schmidt: Mostes Copy
Chris Hellsten: Mostes Copy/just got new Trombetta
BJ Tetro: Mostes copy
350H: Gary Buskirk: Mostes/Just got new Trombetta
Chris Hellsten was winning with a Mostes copy.
Do others occasionally sneak in a win,, certainly, it’s a boat race and the top guys don’t always finish. Incidentally, a container with 5 Euro boats just hit the USA. I believe there were 4 Trombettas and a Mostes in the container.

Rex Hall: Let me say that most of you have never been to Europe, let alone raced there or seen a European boat but you are somehow authorities on the subject. Rex Hall is one of the top guys in Pro racing in the world. As a competitor he won 9 national championships and 2 world championships in the PRO Division racings toughest.. His son Doug has countless wins in 500 & 700H and I believe 2 world championships., Some of you will challenge that statement. Let’s see you show up at a Title Series race and take a 350H of 500R into the 1st turn at over 100.mph. Today, Rex is the USA GRM/Rossi Distributor and works hand in hand with Giuseppe Rossi developing the GRM/Rossi engines. If you look at the GRM website you’ll see engines with an R following the model #. That stands for REX. Probably the only individual in the USA that has spent more time in Europe racing would be Ralph Donald. Incidentally, Giuseppe trains the Italian drivers for OSY. I believe he has 3 European OSY’s in his shop. Is Rex familiar with them, of course?

I posted 5-6 years ago before a World’s at Lake Alfred how fast the Europeans were running…gave speeds and said practice, practice. The responses were similar to your responses to Herbie. After words I said TOLD YOU SO, they kicked our butts and usually do.

Many of you will challenge this post as you did Rex’s ..your welcome to do so; you may wish to check into my racing background, over 300 wins , my sponsorship background (both Hellsten’s drove for me Chris & Curt. We won most everything in 250 & 350 from 1997-2003. Many of the records still stand) and my GRM/Rossi Distributor background. You see I preceded Rex as the USA GRM/Rossi distributor. Much like Rex I have spent considerable time in Europe with Giuseppe.

Well, if they are not tweaked for optimal performance any longer for racing on our size and course layouts, I stand corrected. Last USTS I was at was year before last in Constantine. I did look at many of the hulls present. I feel the Euro design is definately here to make a point, and eventually it will be the hull of choice. I am still not convinced a hull as rigged and raced in Europe would be my hull of choice over here. A modified version, definately. To many factors. If I were to travel to Europe to race, I would try to obtain a hull over there that is proven. It would save on logistics as well. But that is just me. I do well with my own designs over here and I am very happy with that. But I still applaud anyone who goes through all the hassels of shipping boats and engines over the ocean just to race. You can't fault dedication. On the flip side, you have a little known builder here in the U.S.. building these hulls for them to race over there. You have to appreciate that dedication as well. In my case, the only thing I don't build is the prop. I am not skilled anough. And I get a lot of satisfaction out of winning with a rig I built. I am sure the USA team has a sense of pride for just being able to go over there a couple times a year and compete. Maybe if they received more sponsors from state side they could compete at the level you speak of.

[David Weaver]

The Big Controversy

Hard to call the US drivers and teams that make a significant effort to race in Europe an embarrassment. These teams raced hard within the rules (that are not their norm) and displayed good sportsmanship. All we can ask. They are competitive despite missing the podium.

As to the "Euro" boat vs typical US hydroplane controversy, here is some prospective from someone who has driven both recently (although I might be an embarrassment, because I did no better than second with either). The Euro boats are great to drive, in the right circumstances, as is my Pugh hydro. I believe firmly that the Euro boats are more "raceable" in a wider variety of water conditions. But, I believe they are better attuned to LeMans starts than flying clock starts. I also believe they are better on short courses such as those being used more and more often in US PRO racing. Where 1 mile and 1.25 mile courses are raced, I suspect that US style boats still hold their own, especially on "good" water.

With that said, Danny Kirts smoked everyone last year in 350 H last fall at a USTS race running a US style hydro on a very short course. He even used a Konig! How? He was better prepared than everyone else. He had the best set-up that day.

At the end of the day, I believe the Euro style hauls may be better for racing, because they will allow us more opportunities to race on less than ideal water. Spectators and sponsors hate a "called" event due to wind. The Mostes I ran (now W-71), ran incredibly well over water that I would not have put my Pugh on.

Until (if ever), we run LeMans starts regularly, I do not see how we can really compete with the European teams under their rules. They are very, very well prepared and they practice, practice, practice....

[guedo499]

For those interested this was the winning hull built in Tartu Tartu (Üllar Põvvat leadership) and the propellers are manufactured by Lembit Aaslav-Kaasik.

Tartu is the second largest city of Estonia. In contrast to Estonia's political and financial capital Tallinn, Tartu is often considered the intellectual and cultural hub, especially since it is home to Estonia's oldest and most renowned university. Wikipedia

I want one. Who has the builder's contact information? I already have a container in Europe this November.

Thanks, John.

JP@johnpeeters.com

[Bear513]

Billy and Todd, Congratulations. We love you for the fact that you took the time out of your busy lives, spent lots of money, and went out of your way to represent us. All racers know that it takes more than skill, hard work, determination, and equipment to win: a little luck and the stars aligned just right are also part of the equation. I think that those who chose to criticize in this thread should have used some tact and started a new thread about how Euro boats may be the wave of the future, or something like that. Why spoil a good pot of stew here? We need to baste in the glory, as do Billy, Todd and the rest of the US-A team.
I do happen to know who Herbie is as he has emailed me in the past, and it is not Mike Barrett. I would look at a Rossi owner who has a lot invested in pro racing. (He sure did not like that Brian runs a VRP and beat his Rossi---like I really care!).
Anyway, enough of that. Have a safe trip home US A team. You made us proud! Connie Payn

Yup Connie I know who herbie is also and its not mike it goes waaaaaaaay back.. you can tell who he is...

[propfxrO84]

I'd like a new "euro" composite hydro that is built for a D mod. (44" mod Mercury) How much US $ with freight?? I don 't mind being the Guinea Pig..............Bryan Tharp (405) 632-2844 or PM

[blueskyracer]

I'd like a new "euro" composite hydro that is built for a D mod. (44" mod Mercury) How much US $ with freight?? I don 't mind being the Guinea Pig..............Bryan Tharp (405) 632-2844 or PM

Good luck Bryan. In past threads I have yet to see any prices.. Maybe you will be lucky

[HRTV]

I'd like a new "euro" composite hydro that is built for a D mod. (44" mod Mercury) How much US $ with freight?? I don 't mind being the Guinea Pig..............Bryan Tharp (405) 632-2844 or PM

Brayn,

Keep in mind that there is no such thing as D Mod in Europe or Stock or Mod Outboards.

The boats are built to suit the following classes:

OSY400
0125
0250
0350
F500-700

It is my understanding that the kala or Lucas boats are the most affordable while the new Tomrbetta can be very pricey. Dickfores and Lucas also are common names along with other private builders out of Poland and Estonia.

There are other builders scattered around Europe but it is also my understanding that many of them will only build one or two boats a year. Kala and Trombetta appear to be the two largest shops.

You can contact the guys at Kala via there Facebook Page and the Pro guys here state side can put you in touch with Trombetta, Dickfores and Lucas. Many hulls also come out of Estonia and Poland.


Here is a link for Trombetta.. Im not sure how old or up to date this site is.

http://shop.strato.de/epages/1549252...522/Categories

Good luck.