MY thoughts on the Mini Most

[Mark 32]

What about that young guys that spend all their money on boat racing and still can't buy the best stuff haha

[Silas_53A]

Next thursday is Thursday Night Thunder at the local race track, Beach Ridge. Any four cylinder compact car is competitive. I recently bought a 1993 Subaru impreza for $150 perfectly running and moving and only 90k miles!!! the only reason it wasnt road worthy was because of rust, so with a roll cage added its race ready! Infact they had so many entries they recent had to split it into two different groups! For less then $1,000 you can have a fully race ready car! and another $500 and you geared up and on the track! Infact Me and my father were involved in racing for 2 years!

[ricochet112]

Tony Staron has been working hard the last few years with Briggs and Stratton (I know, not only out of the box, but out of the world), and I have helped some so know a little bit about what an outside provider thinks about the mini-most and boat racing. (By the way, Briggs does read this forum).

Connie Payn

I just spoke to "the B&S factory", technical department and the gentleman (I can't give out his name or number because it's dealer only info) I spoke to only talked to a couple of people about the B&S outboard and no one was from a racing organization, he has never heard of hr.net either. B&S doesn't sell direct to the public, whoever Tony is contacting is either a large dealer or a distributer. As far as a "new" B&S outboard for $600, 2008 dealer cost is747.97 plus factory freight, list is 799.99, so whoever is selling one for $600, is dumping them because of excess inventory.

[Silas_53A]

Being 19 I play computer games... In Fact I play a game that is over ten years old called Counter-Strike and a newer version called Counter-Strike: Source. The older game is $10 from Steam (a free program that owns the right to Counter-Strike) and the newer one is $20, for about $700 i can build a fully competitive rig that runs both games to full capability, many people want 300+ frames per second when 50 FPS is PLENTY. Up until last year both games were supported in Professional Gaming. And when you compete in professional gaming tournaments, the computer are provided so no one has the advantage.

CAL and CPL (Cyber Amateur League and Cyber Professional League) are two free online gaming leagues that support Counter-Strike: Source, The National winning team takes a Check home of $50,000, being a 5 man team that $10k each for on tournament... their ONLY expense is travel and hotel for one week which is usually paid for by sponsors such as X-Box, Halo, PlayStation, Microsoft and countless others.

[HRTV]

Being 19 I play computer games... In Fact I play a game that is over ten years old called Counter-Strike and a newer version called Counter-Strike: Source. The older game is $10 from Steam (a free program that owns the right to Counter-Strike) and the newer one is $20, for about $700 i can build a fully competitive rig that runs both games to full capability, many people want 300+ frames per second when 50 FPS is PLENTY. Up until last year both games were supported in Professional Gaming. And when you compete in professional gaming tournaments, the computer are provided so no one has the advantage.

CAL and CPL (Cyber Amateur League and Cyber Professional League) are two free online gaming leagues that support Counter-Strike: Source, The National winning team takes a Check home of $50,000, being a 5 man team that $10k each for on tournament... their ONLY expense is travel and hotel for one week which is usually paid for by sponsors such as X-Box, Halo, PlayStation, Microsoft and countless others.

Ok lets make this plain and simple since we both have gotten way off track here, the class you are proposing to start is not a current class in APBA so that leaves you with one choice either join up and start out in one of our current entry level classes or leave it alone. If you cant afford any of the current Jr.APBA classes then you should find something else that might interest you in the world of motor sports.

[aojesus]

I just spoke to "the B&S factory", technical department and the gentleman (I can't give out his name or number because it's dealer only info) I spoke to only talked to a couple of people about the B&S outboard and no one was from a racing organization, he has never heard of hr.net either. B&S doesn't sell direct to the public, whoever Tony is contacting is either a large dealer or a distributer. As far as a "new" B&S outboard for $600, 2008 dealer cost is747.97 plus factory freight, list is 799.99, so whoever is selling one for $600, is dumping them because of excess inventory.

I am aware of the conversations that Connie is speaking of and they are factual. The gentleman she is referring to has also had communication with me. He has asked me personally for pictures of my kids and their project, as well as definitions of what he has read on hydroracer.net.

[YankeeRacing]

I just spoke to "the B&S factory", technical department and the gentleman (I can't give out his name or number because it's dealer only info) I spoke to only talked to a couple of people about the B&S outboard and no one was from a racing organization, he has never heard of hr.net either. B&S doesn't sell direct to the public, whoever Tony is contacting is either a large dealer or a distributer. As far as a "new" B&S outboard for $600, 2008 dealer cost is747.97 plus factory freight, list is 799.99, so whoever is selling one for $600, is dumping them because of excess inventory.

Actually the dealer is a boat racer and is offering them at his cost. Which is something like $600 something. Not sure on exact cost.
I know for a fact who Tony has talked to and it is more than a dealer because I talked to them also. We have had several meetings in MIlwaukee. Own time, own money. But who cares. This mini-most thread has given boat racing more exposure in 4 days than we usually get in months. Kind of funny really. If you want an engine at that cost please email Carl Staron through Tony at:
toeknee33f@aol.com (Carl has his own email but I don't know it)
He can fill you in.
A dumped motor on a mini most, or an old antique motor on a mini most. Doesn't seem that important to me for something, (as I said in a previous post) is just an "activity." No different than apple bobbing or wagon races before or after a race. The concept is for fun only. If we get some new blood to the sport because of it, wow, let's be happy about that.
Connie

[Silas_53A]

Im not buying this whole sad story about I'm so young and cant afford Stock Outboard

No offence taken at all, I hate to tell you this but you are still dead wrong! $4500 to get started in racing is pennies try and find another motor sport where you can go racing tomorrow for $4500.

Oh by the way I see kids in my local Apple computer store spend thousands every day for the latest high speed gaming computer.

I could go on and on and list the prices of today toys that all young kids seem to have enough money for.

XBOX 360 $500 -$600 thats with no games, Im not buying this whole sad story about I'm so young and cant afford Stock Outboard Racing.

Sony PS3 $500 no games just the machine!

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...ac/family/imac

It is not so much about "I can't afford it" as it is the up front investment. To lower the initial investment is to attract new people. I race for a year or two then if I want to continue I have all or most of the other gear like safety equipment, trailer [or just the top of my car]. It is sad to see, on this forum and others, the die hards that fight a low cost starter class. Beach Ridge was going bankrupt until they started the Thursday night low cost racing. The track has been doing this for around 10 years and seem to be doing good. I had fun but it wasn't my cup of tea.
Chris Jordan

This is DSR runabouts father. I did not know he was signed in on my computer.

[Silas_53A]

Ok lets make this plain and simple since we both have gotten way off track here, the class you are proposing to start is not a current class in APBA so that leaves you with one choice either join up and start out in one of our current entry level classes or leave it alone. If you cant afford any of the current Jr.APBA classes then you should find something else that might interest you in the world of motor sports.

Thanks for reiterating one of my previous posts.... If you don't have $6,000 to drop IMMEDIATELY onto a semi-competitive rig then you dont care and you dont want to waste your time.

You worry about your sport dying... then tell every new-commer they need $6k minimum to even be competitive, no wonder there are worries...

Thanks for your time-

Silas.

[HRTV]

Thanks for reiterating one of my previous posts.... If you don't have $6,000 to drop IMMEDIATELY onto a semi-competitive rig then you dont care and you dont want to waste your time.

You worry about your sport dying... then tell every new-commer they need $6k minimum to even be competitive, no wonder there are worries...

Thanks for your time-

Silas.

Give it up I am not buying your sad story, the internet is full of scammers and folks who lurk around message boards posting crap all day. If you are serious about racing send me your contact info in a PM and I will have an APBA member in your area contact you direct! or you can keep crying about how much it cost.

[sam]

Thanks for reiterating one of my previous posts.... If you don't have $6,000 to drop IMMEDIATELY onto a semi-competitive rig then you dont care and you dont want to waste your time.

You worry about your sport dying... then tell every new-commer they need $6k minimum to even be competitive, no wonder there are worries...

Thanks for your time-

Silas.

Now you are exaggerating the cost, which harms YOUR argument. $4,000 is more than sufficient.

4500-5000, what ever, is WAY to much for the average joe

Now you are making my point exactly ... boat racing isn't for the "average joe". It never has been, it has always been expensive. If $4,000 all at once is too much and someone is really interested, they will have to save up over several years .... or play ping pong, soccer or video games instead.


There are plenty of joes and sons of joes that do have enough money to race, the challenge to boat racing is to attract them to boat racing despite all the distracting other entertainment choices. Outboard racing is much less expensive than buying the latest competitive dirt bike every other year or more often, for example.

I do believe there is a place for dual purpose motors and build it yourself boats such as the OPC Mini GP scheme, which is similar to the Minimost B&S scheme and already an APBA class ... some may make the same argument Dan made against Minimost against Mini GP, but it is hard to deny that there are a number of "geezers" who would like to race in a slower easier to drive class along with the guys who want to build their own race boat that uses an off the shelf pleasure motor.

[Silas_53A]

Give it up I am not buying your sad story, the internet is full of scammers and folks who lurk around message boards posting crap all day. If you are serious about racing send me your contact info in a PM and I will have an APBA member in your area contact you direct! or you can keep crying about how much it cost.

Scammers?? Crying?? I am simply bringing up reasonable options for attracting new people to this sport and basically you respond with 'You are not a member of the Yacht Club, you can't play here.' . I am telling you what would bring me (one of those new people with interest) into this exciting sport. Maybe if I had boat racing in the family and had been around and driving hydro/runabouts since I was 5 or 6 I would be willing to make that initial investment.

I am telling you that if there was a small, less expensive option, my chance of becoming a boat racer would increase ten fold.


Sam, are you telling me that with a $4,000 rig and no experiance (that incudes EVERYTHING, race ready) I would even have the slightest chance against the other guy with 30+ years of experience and a $8,000 dollar rig?

[sam]

There are no $8,000 rigs in Stock. At $4,000 you'd be in the hunt in CSH ... if you have the innate talent you could be driving at the front consistently before the summer is out, we've seen it happen.

In some other classes you could probably get by with some cash left over

[immulmen]

Give it up I am not buying your sad story, the internet is full of scammers and folks who lurk around message boards posting crap all day. If you are serious about racing send me your contact info in a PM and I will have an APBA member in your area contact you direct! or you can keep crying about how much it cost.

Sad story! Scammers!
An APBA member in my area is Fast Jack, been there, done that.
I remember reading a post that Fast Jack commented that when he told people $6000, and yes he told me $6000, they where discouraged. And this post was from before I talked to him so I am not the only one. Why was this being discussed if everything is take it or leave it? Why has this thread grow to 8 pages in such a short time?

Note that Woodman, Silas and I are newbs and did not start posting until page 5.

No mini most, mini GT, Tri hull or any other low cost class is available in my area as far as i know.

Chris Jordan
483 Gray rd
Windham Me
04062
Immulmen at yahoo dot com
1-207-894-7100 x111 rings over at my house before 10pm EST
Ask for Chris or Silas

[Silas_53A]

Ok, so i spend $4,000 on a rig, but if i am limited to 300 mile radius that leaves about 4-5 races i can make it to? I cant drive to Florida, California, Texas, Michigan. But if once a week there was a race in say a hours drive, then dropping even 4k on a set up would be more reasonable, but thats still leaving out gear. Weekly local races would definitely spike numbers, but in order to bring up the number you need to attract new members, and with the only option being $4,500 people will still be deferred...but at less then half, say $2,000, you ARE going to see a significant increase in numbers.

And People from this starter class ARE going build on their new hobby and work their way up to the pro classes.