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  • #31
    Darrell,
    Believe me when I tell you, I understand you passion about the Hot Rod. I share much of your conviction and respect the fact that you are out actively recruiting for your class, frankly we need more people recruiting.

    You had to know that there was a but. But I still believe the answer for the long run is to focus our efforts on researching new motors. No manufacture will ever produce a small engine that will compare to the speed and the ride of the Hot Rod, I don't think you will find anyone to disagree with that point.

    The 25SSR program that has displayed itself the last few years should be evidence that if there is a motor in production we will gain more participation. I know that many of the 25 drivers came from existing C Stock drivers with motors, but the same may be said for the Hot Rod drivers added to the class were B drivers who had many of the parts required and boats required.

    I am not suggesting that we have another class with a restricted 102 or 302, what I think it is time to do is consoildate classes like AMR and BSR into a mod class and make room for a B Stock motor that we know will not compete with the exsitng Hot Rod but will compete with all of the new equipment that a fresh motor will bring like the Tohatsu / Nissan or maybe even a four stroke ( which I am not a fan of). I mention the Tohatsu because it di prove to be a pretty good ride.

    The point of all of this; is sometimes we need to make the difficult decision to give up a little ground on a personal front to better the sport for the whole of the racing community and keep racing
    around for our kids. We debate and lobby our points to the best of our ability then when we all vote, we should all get behind the result of the voice of the majority to try and keep things moving forward.

    The Hot Rod may still be the answer, but you know better than anyone that no one is going to make a living or maybe not even a profit making Hot Rod motors and or parts to spur the growth we need for the future. Dean may have an idea that has merrit by liscensing the motor through APBA, but we will still need a generous donation of time, effort and more importantly MONEY.

    Scott

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    • #32
      Darrell,
      Your January 8th email to the Mod Commission asked that the old 25SS Mercury and OMC be allowed in the A Mod Class (not just AMR). You asked that boat weight, engine specifications and gearcase dimensions remain stock “without” pipes or tuned exhaust. You commented that Cooper Jess, Ed Hearn and yourself think that the 25SS will run very close to the A Mod Hot Rod and should bring in a few more drivers to that class. You also stated that Tom Moulder thinks it’s a good idea for AMR

      The Mod Commission agreed with your request and let this go to ballot (I don’t recall how many in favor or against). As you know, the drivers in the A Mod class control it’s destiny after that!

      Bob Koschka 94-H

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      • #33
        A-mod

        BoB,
        I am not complaining about anything. It got voted on and what drivers want and vote for is fair. I thought that the proposal that made it out had the Carb and Ignition part in it. I was having computer problems in January I had to rewrite that proposal about 15 times in between crashes it keep getting shorter. The Mod Commission did an good job. There is next year if changes have to be made to get the engines up to speed. Did this pass?
        If so, is it for the 2004 season.

        53-w

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        • #34
          Fair vote

          Hot Rod Little bitte blue motror as i recall drawback it was not very loud also would not start back in pre 60 s.
          Do not unnistand what is stock? wat is mod? me thought stock had a you touch i break you hand meaning. I dont have my Dicshunary handy.
          RichardK.C. Mo.

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          • #35
            (Update:

            Should have my A-MOD OMC ready for Franklin. --My 25ss Merc. will take 20 min. to get ready if someone wants to run it.>Take the pipe off/side cover back on.

            Rick Morris is almost done with the OMC adapter plate to a "H" Merc tower. Plate will also be drilled to TRY it on my 25SS tower to see if any dif. with larger exhaust opening, in the 25SS tower. Also just got a 30H tower that I will TEST it on (I have an adapter from an old Quincy "A" 20H crankcase looper that will work on that 30H tower. Just gotta add OMC bolt pattern to it)----Will keep ya'll posted.
            This is were the APBA tower fitted with a "NEW" Hot-Rod foot or Hot-Rod tower / foot would Help. I can get adapters lazer cut once I have a prototype.

            Will use long scag A/B 16/21 foot and "short course" 25MOD (7"X13p) wheels (I've got a bucket full of'em).

            Exhaust will run thru tower.

            Will run the OMC on my Arltralite rig or my B-Webster (time / schedule permitting) . May see if Archie Lewis / Nate Forshey have time to pilot it with one of their 160 lb ---BUTTs ---They gotta be closer to weight (350lbs?) than my 200 lb SLAB

            My 20 Pavlik and the 25SS Merc will also be avail as long as they don't run A-MOD and 25MOD too close together. Archie Lewis is going to run his wrap around-chambered 25SS on it in 25MOD.------hope he gets a good ride---Archie will be 70 years "young" this year! You GO BUDDIE! --Race on!

            Will they run with Hearn 14H / Sutherland 40M?-----Who knows / cares?
            Will I have a "grin on" if either comes as close as my 20H did at Loch Haven 2003?----------You bet!!!!!!!

            Investment/value?
            Stock 22.1 OMC 1976 "fish'n" motor from local marina (junk/parts) motor rack---Free.
            (Just saw another one go on e-bay for $210).

            Adapter plate prototype-------Around $200-$300 or possibly a case of (PA. instead of that Oklahoma 3.2 "pee water") > Coors light and a bottle of Real Sangria for Rick Morris Prototype.
            Will get estimate from Corry Laser Machining on copies ASAP.---If some one has one that is done, that they would be willing to lend for a week for the Merc and one for the Hot-Rod towers, I will take them to the laser shop for scanning and estimates on copies----will send deposit on safe / quick return if needed.----Let me know ASAP if I can "pry" one out of your hands for a week!

            "H" tower/clamp assy--E-BAY----$350-$500?

            Mike Schmitt rework A/B foot to long scag---under $100.
            A/B foot and fresh internals--$900 Dang! (come on Sidewinder Outboards, get those foots in production! .
            --P.S. Mikes work (under $100) was/is very reasonable AND FASTTTTTTT!!!!!--turn around . It's the cost of those DANG Merc foot "internals" that are going to bankrupt me!


            If it puts a "grin on" the face of who-ever pilots it?------PRICELESS!!!!!!!!


            "Grin-On" ---Isn't that what this sport/game is all about ??



            19P GOING FASTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!----TO OCOEE!!!!!!!!!!
            Teacher comment 2nd grade---" Does not PLAY WELL with others"

            Double click on pic for closer look at that 20H trying to "CUT'EM OFF AT THE PASS"
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            Last edited by STEVE FRENCH; 10-18-2010, 03:22 AM.
            100N STEVE FRENCH > Nobody can hang with my STUFF!! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tna3B5zqHdk

            SEEEEEE YAAAAAA!!............In my WAKE!! .............100N>>

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            • #36
              Steve French

              Are you still looking for a rewind for a 25ss, if you are and if it's the same as the 20hp merc fishing engine, I have one.

              Mike 503-357-9212 work PST

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              • #37
                Mike,
                I've aquired a couple spares thru E-bay. But my 25SS eats them like peanuts.

                If a recoil is required in this class, your recoil will be in demand.

                19P
                Teacher comment 2nd grade--"Does not PLAY WELL with others"
                100N STEVE FRENCH > Nobody can hang with my STUFF!! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tna3B5zqHdk

                SEEEEEE YAAAAAA!!............In my WAKE!! .............100N>>

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                • #38
                  Has anyone really "LOOKED" at the newer loop charged / chamber compatable (quieter) motors?
                  Or is the port timing so mild for troll'n that their a YAWNER to work with?

                  I ran the 18HP Tohatsu and liked it but I think a 25HP version may of been more competative. (would still like to try a chamber on it)
                  Forget cubic inch. Look at speeds and where a motor will fit. If it gets too fast----restictor plate it.

                  If I run across a 25 Nissan / Tohatsu/ Yamaha / looper-port design ETC. for the right money (cheep) on E-BAY or local marine parts rack, I will grab it and try my extra A-OMC foot on it probationary?
                  My points chase days are over thanks to a junk Knee / body!
                  I'll volinteer for test pilot / Trunk Monkee Duty

                  I've started my HOT-ROD/Sidewinder piggy bank but till The NEW motors are available, I'll keep dig'n thru the marine SCRAP yards.

                  19P GOING FASTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--------To warmer weather 12 days-----(WHO-AHHHH!!!!!)

                  Teacher comment 2nd grade-----"Does not PLAY WELL with others"
                  Last edited by STEVE FRENCH; 05-16-2014, 05:12 AM.
                  100N STEVE FRENCH > Nobody can hang with my STUFF!! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tna3B5zqHdk

                  SEEEEEE YAAAAAA!!............In my WAKE!! .............100N>>

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                  • #39
                    Two OMC A-MOD ready for this year.

                    One on A/B Merc tower / foot.
                    investment;
                    Powerhead-$60 E-bay,
                    New rings-$19.95 set, OMC tune-up kit-$30 Thank you Weigel Bros. Marine!
                    Unbolt steel starter gear -5 minutes (fly wheel wieghs 4lbs-0 oz.)
                    Tower/foot-about $1200
                    Adapter plate prototype--about 10-12 hours--Thank you Rick Morris. Going to check local lazer shop on copies ASAP.

                    One on stock fishing tower with complete cowling with Yamato factory steering bar
                    investment;
                    Powerhead,tower,-Free, Thank you Michalak Marine Erie Pa.!
                    Rings / tune-up kit see above.
                    Merc A/B-foot--$800-$1000?
                    1/4' aluminum adapter plate---about 3 hours on drill press.

                    Also the neat thing about these is that my 25MOD / B-MOD power heads will will bolt / swap onto either one in less than 1 hour. Extra "SPORTSTER" cowling cut to clear pipe. Looks kinda cool with pipe sticking out side of factory cowling.

                    19P
                    Last edited by STEVE FRENCH; 03-28-2005, 09:05 PM.
                    100N STEVE FRENCH > Nobody can hang with my STUFF!! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tna3B5zqHdk

                    SEEEEEE YAAAAAA!!............In my WAKE!! .............100N>>

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                    • #40
                      Mike-41P,
                      Could not get file on rules to open.
                      Is recoil required?
                      With locked mag, the OMC recoil will never make it. Got 2-starts out of one before the PLASTIC starter dog snapped like a pretsel.
                      Trying to make fishing tower with A/B merc foot work and swing mag but I don't think the fishing tower will hold up to racing---not cast heavy enough. cowling and mounts will never last.

                      Back to Merc A/B tower, Rope start.

                      19P
                      100N STEVE FRENCH > Nobody can hang with my STUFF!! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tna3B5zqHdk

                      SEEEEEE YAAAAAA!!............In my WAKE!! .............100N>>

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                      • #41
                        Up-date,

                        Took my Artralite to Canadohta Lake, Pa.
                        Archie brought his stock BSH 15ss Hot-Rod. I brought a OMC-A MOD on a 25SS tower.
                        The Hot-rod BSH motor pulled 61.1 MPH
                        The OMC-22 (closed exhaust) saw 59.6 with my short course 25 mod wheel.
                        Will try 20H piped wheel next time out!

                        Hav'n fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        19P
                        "As a child, Frankinstine never scared me, But marsoupials DO!!!!!!!!-----Cause their FASTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        19P
                        Last edited by STEVE FRENCH; 05-13-2005, 04:26 PM.
                        100N STEVE FRENCH > Nobody can hang with my STUFF!! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tna3B5zqHdk

                        SEEEEEE YAAAAAA!!............In my WAKE!! .............100N>>

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                        • #42
                          Gents,
                          Since we have a bunch of motorheads on this thread, I have a technical question about my 25XS Merc. Some recent rule changes allow me to remove the restrictor to run in 25SSR and also we can run it unrestricted in 25MH and BMH/BMR (I think?). What carb jet changes should I make? Where can I find jets for the stock carb? Will I run too lean if I remove the restrictor without going to a richer jet? Thanks for the bandwidth. Mike Marsahall, raceboat61-S

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                          • #43
                            Remember when used'ta get along?
                            100N STEVE FRENCH > Nobody can hang with my STUFF!! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tna3B5zqHdk

                            SEEEEEE YAAAAAA!!............In my WAKE!! .............100N>>

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                            • #44
                              WOW! 6 Years Later

                              We are still debating the same things.

                              The upside is someone did build a motor to compete with the Hot Rod.

                              Sidewinder.

                              Good Stuff Steve

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                              • #45
                                J class restictor plate

                                J Class restictor plate. I have 302 yamat what size bore do i need.Are the 80 & 102 & 202 & 302.Yamat the same size bore. DUTT266

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