Question To Ed Hearn and The APBA SORC

[swheeler]

Now I remember why I don't post very often! Please don't take any offense at what I consider good natured kidding in some of the earlier posts in this thread. I certainly don't.
I had a great time at Franklin. The locals like us, its a nice course, and the people who put the race on worked their tails off so the rest of us could have fun. It's one of my favorite places to race.
Sorry the thread got hijacked, I just wanted to show support for what I think is a great product that can be used to support different classes in the kneel down/lay down divisions.

[jeff55v]

Correction...

David, I wasn't trying to single out Merc stuff as the ONLY expensive D stock equipment. Both Merc AND Bass are expensive. Since Steve was asking about adapting a Yamato foot to a MERC (D classic) midsection, I limited my remarks to that brand. I just gathered from Steve's post that he is trying to get into a D stock ride with a limited budget. So, in my opinion, the Yamato 302 foot would be a cool consideration for his situation.
Both Merc and Bass brands offer their own advatages, and I'm sure they're both a good value. BUT they are BOTH costly!
Thank you for correcting my statement concerning availability of Merc parts.
I am sorry to have left my complete point of view out of my earlier post.
I do not want to start a big debate about this subject either. I hope my clarification will defuse any futher misunderstanding. I'd hate to find a bunch of guys waiting for me "at the bike rack"!

[ryan_4z]

It's funny you bring that up Jeff. I always thought that we should have found a new D powerhead to bolt on this mid-section with a yamato foot as a new D motor. This seemed to be the most inexpensive way to put together a new motor for our D class. Kind of a non-issue now that we have the Bass motor.

[crankbearing]

off track but!

Hey Jeff,

Not a problem, at all, I am done with the politics as well. I have way too many other things happening in my personal life etc to be STRESSED OUT. We have the same issues in Canada and with our racing stuff. I feel that with the current rules being approved and safety issues being raised, we are pricing the sport out of the budgets of those who helped to build it and then we will not have to worry any longer.

Ryan,

YEP! you are right excluding the merc or the Tohatsu, easily a powerhead could have been adapted to the talked about Universal Housing and a yamato L/U with a plate for water and a stud change It will bolt right on as seen in the pictures on IAI's web-site but as with the rest that would be too easy.

Regards,

[STEVE FRENCH]

jeff,

Most Merc Lower units can be bought for 1200 - 1500$ if new add a complete 44 mid-section etc you are into 2000-2300. For what is available "NEW" right now in STOCK (SORC Approved) towers and lower Units - Excluding Yamato's adapted to a merc or the like I think the prices are very close to the SAME, would you not say? I think a Bass lower Unit and Mid-section is around 2K is it not and a lower unit is 1400 or more. So what's the difference and most parts for the merc are not scarce, We have produced Cartridges, shims, prop-shafts etc... and bearings and seals are everywhere. The only thing lacking is the drive shafts and cases and that problem will soon be in the past. I have created an Ebay Store - you can link to it from my signature below. I am slowly getting it updated, it will become a central location for all of the reman parts that are available and as well new parts in kit form, IE rebuild kits, gasket sets etc...

Regards,

Dave,
Thank you!

Should help all that are "teater'n on the fence" in regards to the "D" class....

With my respect as always.........(Till we're all head'n into turn-1 ....or sing'n "kar-e-o-kee" at Waterford )........

Let's all be thankfull that we are still able to get together and have fun weather it be on or off any race course ...or barstool...or ?..>as free Women and Men.......Amen.

Happy Easter ..........all

19P

[crankbearing]

Lol-lol-lol!!!

Dave,
Thank you!

Should help all that are "teater'n on the fence" in regards to the "D" class....

With my respect as always.........(Till we're both head'n into turn-1 ....or sing'n "kar-e-o-kee" at Waterford )........

Let's all be thankfull that we are still able to get together and have fun weather it be on or off any race course ...or barstool...or ?..>as free Women and Men.......Amen.

Happy Easter ..........all

19P

Steve,

I still "hate that man that gave me that awful name."

Regards,

[jeff55v]

But then again...

Maybe I'm thinking a little too MODish. I'd be in favor of any lower unit legal in D stock. As long as it meets the "R" dimension.

Come to think of it... this is a bad idea. The conversation about Stock Outboard often times revolves around availability of new motors. Since new and like new motors are available for D stock, we shouldn't compromise "stock" outboard principles for D stock. If someone wants to race stock outboard they should be willing and able to buy a shiny new motor. If the purchase of a new motor is not possible for the prospective racer, maybe he or she should go race Mod.
Sorry to sound harsh.
I am however, very much in favor of any efforts to keep existing Stock motor's replacement parts available for purchase to keep 'em going.

[T Chance]

The conversation about Stock Outboard often times revolves around availability of new motors.

New motors are available for all classes from Rossi, Arens, VRP, and Konny. Maybe the thing to do is take the pipes off and jet them for gasoline. But then, looking at history, both Konig and Anzani had gasoline burning stock motors with underwater (almost underwater, like a 20H or Hot Rod) exhaust and APBA rejected them. It wasn't until the Japanese dumped the Yamato 80 over here that a foreign motor was accepted.

[DougMc]

New motors are available for all classes from Rossi, Arens, VRP, and Konny. Maybe the thing to do is take the pipes off and jet them for gasoline. But then, looking at history, both Konig and Anzani had gasoline burning stock motors with underwater (almost underwater, like a 20H or Hot Rod) exhaust and APBA rejected them. It wasn't until the Japanese dumped the Yamato 80 over here that a foreign motor was accepted.

Alky motors are too complicated and you really know what you are doing. Simpletons like me just like to clamp, gas and go.

[Dave M]

Tried to Point that out once...

I feel that with the current rules being approved and safety issues being raised, we are pricing the sport out of the budgets of those who helped to build it and then we will not have to worry any longer.
Regards,

Dave, I agree. Stock is pricing itself out of competition. I tried to point that out in another thread and it was not well received. I tried to keep it on the J engine as per the discussion but someone simply could not leave it alone that I am going Pro and to compare that cost to stock... duhhhh. Ya, Pro is more expensive, so is owning a BMW verses a Jeep.

[Fast Jack]

Alky

Doug, you really put you foot in it this time( sorry, could not resist) saying alky motors are comlpicated. I have seen people get in trouble just trying to get to the races ( me included) . Hope you are well, I expected to see you at the pro races. Had a good time in Fl. Now when are you southern types coming north to race?... Shawn

[Tom Cronk]

Doug

Why are we always working on your Stock motors and
not on the Pro motors.

Your Repair shop
TECraft

[Tom Cronk]

Races

Shawn
See you at the USTS race at Depue.Bring my coffee cup,
hope you washed it out for me.
Tom

[Bob Rusnak]

Throttle

Why are we always working on your Stock motors and
not on the Pro motors.

Your Repair shop
TECraft

Did it again, left without paying for the Keller throttle parts. Let me know what I owe. Bob Rusnak N-96

[David Weaver]

Alky motors are too complicated and you really know what you are doing. Simpletons like me just like to clamp, gas and go.

Sorry Doug, I disprove that theory. There is nobody less mechanically inclined than I. I run the engine as delivered by the factory and have a grand old time.