How would YOU build your CSH!

[HRTV]

The type of race courses and water conditions that we race on in the US versus Europe are quite different and therefore the boats are designed to be optimal for each case.

Mark

Mark

With all due respect thats the answer I have heard for the last 22 years and I totaly disagree, the photos that I included in my post were taken on a quiet back woods creek in Europe with no sea wall etc. the equivalent of Whitney Point here in the US.

I find it hard to believe that a lake in Europe is any different from a lake in the US or any place else in the world. Once the water gets chopped up by 12 OSY 400 what difference does it make where you are on the globe ?

I am not suggesting that these hulls are superior or faster I just don't understand why the few US hydro builders never stray from the standard US mold. I had a chance to drive Daren's lay down 20SSH only in test sessions and thought my God! we have no idea what we are missing, it felt so right to be lying down. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't this lower the center of gravity thus lessening the drag and producing a more streamline path for the wind to travel across the hull ?

[mercguy]

laydown Darneille........

Mark

With all due respect thats the answer I have heard for the last 22 years and I totaly disagree, the photos that I included in my post were taken on a quiet back woods creek in Europe with no sea wall etc. the equivalent of Whitney Point here in the US.

I find it hard to believe that a lake in Europe is any different from a lake in the US or any place else in the world. Once the water gets chopped up by 12 OSY 400 what difference does it make where you are on the globe ?

I am not suggesting that these hulls are superior or faster I just don't understand why the few US hydro builders never stray from the standard US mold. I had a chance to drive Daren's lay down 20SSH only in test sessions and thought my God! we have no idea what we are missing, it felt so right to be lying down. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't this lower the center of gravity thus lessening the drag and producing a more streamline path for the wind to travel across the hull ?

Dan, you would love my old laydown hydro now that it has a Cmod Merc on it! What a blast to drive it is. It is not sluggish out of the turns either, although it is a little small for CMH. My new Darneille DSH is also a laydown........

[HRTV]

Dan, you would love my old laydown hydro now that it has a Cmod Merc on it! What a blast to drive it is. It is not sluggish out of the turns either, although it is a little small for CMH. My new Darneille DSH is also a laydown........

I bet Brandt Hilsen and I had a ton of fun testing it with one of Brad Walkers 302's great boat.

[mercguy]

I bet Brandt Hilsen and I had a ton of fun testing it with one of Brad Walkers 302's great boat.

I gotta get the rear cowl put on it now, as it looks funny with my feet up around the front of the motor!

[hydroman6]

Dan, you would love my old laydown hydro now that it has a Cmod Merc on it! What a blast to drive it is. It is not sluggish out of the turns either, although it is a little small for CMH. My new Darneille DSH is also a laydown........

Daren, we'll have to figure how to get you some laps in the JDS FE laydown this year.

[mercguy]

Daren, we'll have to figure how to get you some laps in the JDS FE laydown this year.

DON'T start Steve!! I already have way too much on my plate this season!

[hydroman6]

DON'T start Steve!! I already have way too much on my plate this season!

Just some laps. Nothing serious. I'm getting old and slow. just need to keep the rig warm until Jon get's home from Iraq. Think you would REALLY like the power. I know he does!

[HRTV]

Mark

With all due respect thats the answer I have heard for the last 22 years and I totaly disagree, the photos that I included in my post were taken on a quiet back woods creek in Europe with no sea wall etc. the equivalent of Whitney Point here in the US.

I find it hard to believe that a lake in Europe is any different from a lake in the US or any place else in the world. Once the water gets chopped up by 12 OSY 400 what difference does it make where you are on the globe ?

I am not suggesting that these hulls are superior or faster I just don't understand why the few US hydro builders never stray from the standard US mold. I had a chance to drive Daren's lay down 20SSH only in test sessions and thought my God! we have no idea what we are missing, it felt so right to be lying down. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't this lower the center of gravity thus lessening the drag and producing a more streamline path for the wind to travel across the hull ?

Mark

Click on the link below:

http://www.hydroracing.se/osy3/osy/index.html

Looks like any lake US except its in Sweden, sorry but I'm not buying that old answer about the water in Europe and Asia being any different then lets say good old Lock Haven, PA. A lake is a lake no matter where it is, add a sea wall yes that puts the rollers back on the course. I have made it my life's mission to get the right answer on this one

[mercguy]

Just some laps. Nothing serious. I'm getting old and slow. just need to keep the rig warm until Jon get's home from Iraq. Think you would REALLY like the power. I know he does!

well........maybe!

[sam]

Dan, maybe the way to say it isn't that the water is different, but that the philosophy of racing is different. US boats are built for the smoothest water they will encounter, European boats are built for the roughest water they will encounter. The European boat will not be as fast on smooth water, the US type won't even run in the rough.

[mercguy]

???????

Mark

Click on the link below:

http://www.hydroracing.se/osy3/osy/index.html

Looks like any lake US except its in Sweden, sorry but I'm not buying that old answer about the water in Europe and Asia being any different then lets say good old Lock Haven, PA. A lake is a lake no matter where it is, add a sea wall yes that puts the rollers back on the course. I have made it my life's mission to get the right answer on this one

THAT is your life's mission???????

..............STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER...............NOW!

[HRTV]

THAT is your life's mission???????

..............STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER...............NOW!

Stepping away but I still want the answer! I wont rest until I get it

[mercguy]

Stepping away but I still want the answer! I wont rest until I get it

its gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG nite for ya Dan!

PS: ya better start popping the pills now.........

[hydroracer25]

Mark

With all due respect thats the answer I have heard for the last 22 years and I totaly disagree, the photos that I included in my post were taken on a quiet back woods creek in Europe with no sea wall etc. the equivalent of Whitney Point here in the US.

I find it hard to believe that a lake in Europe is any different from a lake in the US or any place else in the world. Once the water gets chopped up by 12 OSY 400 what difference does it make where you are on the globe ?

I am not suggesting that these hulls are superior or faster I just don't understand why the few US hydro builders never stray from the standard US mold. I had a chance to drive Daren's lay down 20SSH only in test sessions and thought my God! we have no idea what we are missing, it felt so right to be lying down. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't this lower the center of gravity thus lessening the drag and producing a more streamline path for the wind to travel across the hull ?

Dan,

I an no boat expert, however the one thing I've see repeatedly with laydown hydros in "small", yet underpowered classes is that they just don't work as well as a kneeldown.

Yes, the center gravity is lower, but int he case of a Yamato you still have a lot of heavy engine up high. Secondly, the amount of drag your body creates in the air is a lot less then the water (wetted surface) on the bottom of the boat.

Therefore, the fastest boat is one that is 'out of the water'. When you are for the most part stationary (ie. laydown) you can't lean out in the turn which keeps the fin planted and the right sponson up (hopefully). You also, cant "jump" in the back of the boat coming out of the turn, which won't allow you to accelerate as fast.

I've seen a few laydown boats run here in the states with everything from a 20ssh, CSH and DSH with very little success. That lack of success was primarly due to the speed around the type of course we are racing in the U.S.

Look at a few of the pictures with the boats going around the turn and coming out of the turns....they are dragging a lot of sponson and a lot of boat is IN the water.

Just my view point.

Mark

[HRTV]

its gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG nite for ya Dan!

PS: ya better start popping the pills now.........

I give in Daren since my eyes are burning and its past my bed time but I will be back! and I want the answer.