Those Loud Pipes

[ANZANI-QUINCY FREAK]

Open Bells Are On The Way Out - As history, into collections & museums

Seems that no matter where you go with open bells its the same all around. Its some one's real estate next door, they pay big taxes and they get those that will give you the hassle who they paid them big taxes to, where your just a visitor, who paid and entry fee that day and that just doesn't count for much. Its getting worse all the time. Seems the only people buying Quincy and other type pipes are those in their late 50s or older that want to relive a bit of their youth now that the kids have left home. Or show some with some go at the same place to go with the displays and hobnobin.

[Joe J]

You say that Cal. lost a site and they did everything to accomdate for the noise, tell me in detail to what links? that is a broad statement!{Quote}

Paul, I can tell you what was done, as I was the person who did it.

We had a race site that when we first started going there, it was outside of town. Now there are million dollar homes about 200 yards away.

1 We limited the time frame for ALL classes, not just loud ones. We ran 48 heats of racing in 7 hours.
2 We scheduled classes accordingly, so the open pipes were in the middle of the day.
3 We made sure all warm up's were done w/ pipes pointing away from the homes.
4 I carry a decibel meter, and gave it to the park ranger. He took it up to the homes, and determined that the lawn mower next door was louder than we were.
5 We also determined that the loudest class we had were cracker boxes. I was surprised by this, as I thought Fuchslin's 6 cylinder Merc would top the chart.
6 There were no engines started before 10:00 each morning, or after 5:00 each night.

I will get into the trailer tomorrow and dig out the actual readings. the bottom line in our case was a political one, as the area rep. for the park district lost a previous battle, and we were the scapegoat.

Joe Johnson

[nightmoves]

Is this all in reference to the Avon Park FL race?

If my memory serves correctly that is a retirement community located in central Florida.
If I also remember correctly that is a no-alcohol dry town with a very strict no open container law with fines and overnight jail time.
Its hard to put on a race with these factors around from the start, we havnt had any problems with the tuned exhaust up here. The main problem is with the open megaphone engines, no-one likes it.
We have races here that state "quiet pipes only" meaning only tuned exhaust pipes are allowed to participate and everyone gets along. Maybe its just a case of different communities with different ideas on whats loud and whats acceptable.

[David Weaver]

Silencers

I expect that this issue will be taken up at the PRO Commission meeting in January. I believe that it is a reasonable issue to discuss in depth and see what kind of actions to address the "noise issue" that we can consider. Seems that while the noise issue is localized at the moment that it has the potential to spread further and we should consider whether taking a proactive stance makes sense.

By the way, to get the item aded to PRO Commission agenda one only has to contact one or more PRO Commission respresentatives and submit a written proposal.

[James Aderholdt]

UIM already has rules for noise. That concept could the transfered to APBA. The big 3 engine builders in Europe all supply quiet exhaust with their engines. Is this rule ignored during UIM competition in the States? For Examle: 0175 World Championship in Depue 2005 I am speaking from a PRO point of veiw. I'm not sure how the MOD group could meet this challange. Oh....it doesn't seem to effect the performance either!!!

[Dave M]

Fair ?

The only fair thing to do is not to schedule any Mod or Pro classes in the State which has the restrictions. Stick to the quiet stocks down there if it is a problem, grow your category in your region.

Based on several pages of discussion on this from a year or so ago, I would think most Mod's are gonna tell you no to mandatory silencers. Of course all Mod has a great benefit, if we don't like the rules in ABPA, we go NBRA. Never heard of much political crap going on at the race sites with them. At their Nat's last year the city was shuttling in crowds of people who loved the noise. I guess it all is location. If your region has issues with noise, keep it stock.

Why do people think expansion chambers are to loud ? I don't get that. Some people just need to get a life I guess....................

[PopPop]

Noise

Noise Can Be An Issue Both Ways. I've Had Auto Racing Friends(sprint & Modified), Come To Stock Races And They Were Disappointed At The Lack Of Noise.
On The Othere Hand Region 3 Lost A Beautiful Race Site In Lakewood, Nj, Years Ago, Due To Noise. Beautiful Lakefront Weekend Homes, A Quiet Convent And A Rabinical Seminary. We Allowed Open Testing Of Alkys On Saturday Morning. I Don't Know About You Guys But If I Was A New York Business Type ($$$$) Looking For A Quiet Saturday Morning Away From The Big City, I'd Be A Bet Upset. We Could Not Even Begin To Negotiate Another Race There.

[AOFoffice]

Lake Placid Noise OK

Carl wanted me to tell eveyone that loud pipes at Lake Placid are just fine---as long as there is a sanction and permits noise is allowed during the times and dates specified on the permits.
Just don't try to test without a sanction. I would imagine that many places are like this as even a parade can get pretty loud. Wouldn't it be un American to ban a parade because of noise?
So, bring your mods, stocks, PRO, and othr down to Lake Placid for the first race and don't worry about he noise here.

[888race]

night moves

Your memory is terrrible it is not a retirment community everyone at the meeting was under 55 also it is not a dry county . Dave M . your post makes the same amount of sense as all your post do NONE AT ALL David W. it is not up to me to put it on the schedule for the pro comm. I am just stating the facts Joe J the reason I asked to what extent did you guys go it seems like you got to the goal line and missed the field goal NO SILENCERS

[Joe J]

Your memory is terrrible it is not a retirment community everyone at the meeting was under 55 also it is not a dry county . Dave M . your post makes the same amount of sense as all your post do NONE AT ALL David W. it is not up to me to put it on the schedule for the pro comm. I am just stating the facts Joe J the reason I asked to what extent did you guys go it seems like you got to the goal line and missed the field goal NO SILENCERS

Paul, you did not read the whole message. We lost the lake over a political issue. this is the message that the park rangers gave to me personally.

If niose is that big a deal, only invite stock classes. If you cannot get enough entries, cancel the race.

Joe

[nightmoves]

Paul, I have mug shots from the early 90's proving otherwise.........

[Ken G]

my turn i hope

I grew up traveling to the races with my dad and avon park was always just a bout guarenteed that there was gonna be some amazing racing and speed.simply because of the geography of the lake, behind the railroad embankment and houses on the hill the rest of the way,, so no matter how hard the wind blows(just about) we get to race.. Now the point that im trying to make is that for 20 years ive dreamed of racing on lake Tulane in avon park, ( the lake is magical crystal clear spring fed and always calm) by the time I started driving in 1990 , the days of avon park were long gone,, I ve heard more than one person say that we would never race there again because there was bad blood between the racers and the community,...AS far as the comment made about avon park being a retired community ,,whats up! man diddnt you know all of florida is pretty much a retirement community,, they signed that deal off about 10 yrs ago,... oh yea the alcohol thing ,, I live six miles from Avon park and as far as i know people still drink on the weekends,, , ? there was a good comment made about maybe different communities haveing differnent ideas of noise control,,all i know is that Paul Hooten took time out of his schedule to persew a race that had been completly banded for two decades, and its one of the best lakes to race on in florida and with florida being so flat , we are all very used to traveling to a race and it get blown out or worse race in foot high chop(yipee) so with this in mind I say Paul Hooten thank you so much for your perserverence and hard work to make this race breath a breath of new life towards our future of racing,,WHAT ever we have to do to hold a race on this particular Lake,,will be worth it ,, if your coming to the race to RACE! All Ive heard from the community down there is how proffessional Paul H. was and how impressed they were with his presentation and the way he handled the NEY SAYERS,,, PLEASE dont make Pauls efforts invane, what ever YOU need to do to race this race,, you want to do it.. it would be a shame to waste this opportunnity to grow...... dont forget The FROSTPROOF RACE 2006 sept.30/oct.1 MUCH RESPECT MON!!!!! 12KenF

[paul jillings]

Gentlemen,

If you want noise turn your i-pod up to 11.
If you want to race - get silencers......

Surely it would be a very simple experiment to do a kilo style run, first with existing pipes, and then with silencers, to settle the silenced stacks are slower debate? (Pro classes only)

As noted previously, the UIM rules which we use here have existed for years. As we all use the silencers, then the local events also benefit. Interestingly, at a recent trial here in Holland three outfits were checked and in order of loudness they were:-

3rd - VRP 500
2nd - GRM 250

and in first - but not in speed - OMC 850 cc (F3)

[David Weaver]

PRO - Silencers

This will be an agenda item for the PRO Commission. Evidently someone who feels strongly about it submitted a proposal. It not the job of anyone of us to submit a proposal, but it is the right of any PRO member to submit a proposal for consideration.

Paul's vigor on the subject on silencers probably distracted many of us from thanking him for efforts to secure a new race site in Florida. Paul is making a positive difference in Region 5 racing and we should not lose sight of that. If we need silencers to race on what sounds like a great course in Florida then we should get silencers. No big deal, just do it.

To all, if you have suggestions, comments or concerns regarding silincers, please contact your local PRO commissioner (s) prior to the annual meeting in 2 weeks.

[jkimble12]

my turn on the soap box.

All I hear is this place has noise restrictions, blah blah blah. What about the places that love the noise. I was born and raised in DePue. All my family still lives in DePue, a block and a half away from the lake. I remember when I was a kid the boats would wake me up on Wed. and Thurs. morning. I can't think of a better way to wake up. I loved it and still do. (except now I have to be there earlier to get my stuff ready). If you want to really upset some people, bring silenced pipes to DePue one year and see what happens. They already don't like the fact that the pits have been moved from the waterfront to the football field where they don't get to see the boats and drivers (that is a whole other thread in itself, which I may tackle later). Now that I race, if I were to come back there with silenced pipes on my boat I would be laughed out of town. Everyone loves the sound and the smell of PRO boats. Even the people that live on Lake street. Why do we have to make it manitory. Everyone seems to on one side of the fence or the other. Silenced pipes or non-silenced. Here is a funny question. Why not have two sets of pipes? (take a minutie to soak that in). We spend anywhere from $300 to $500 on a prop, why not take that money and use it towand a new set of silenced pipes. I don't think it would be wierd or strange to have two diffrent sets of pipes for diffrent race venues. After all we have wide selection of props for diffrent race sites don't we? Have a set of silenced pipes for races like the ones in Florida, and then have regular pipes for Depue and Constantine. Esentially you get the best of both worlds. You can have one set of pipes for noise restricted places and one set for non-restricted places. Which if I do the math right, would mean that the PRO catagory could EXPAND the scedule. Which means more races, more exposure, and the growth of the sport.

Just a thought,

Josh Kimble
L-32
350cc hydro