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The Europeans had access to the 321 motor but none were used in the OSY championships. Could we find out why?
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321 is not listed in the Rule book for OSY400 in 2015. 525 - CLASS OSY 400
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The motor must be a Yamato model 102, 202 or 302 series duly homologated by UIM
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Graham18ce
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Dan Parker had a 321 at Jacksboro, did not seem to be happy with it.
Art KComment
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I was going to say Dan had his this past weekend. Have not talked to him about it. They will be using them in OSY UIM very soon. From what I was told 2016 in Estonia they will have them. They will have no choice if that's all they are making. Todd Anderson or Billy Allen would be the ones to talk toLast edited by DiGia54D; 09-10-2015, 07:58 AM.sigpicWayne DiGiacomoComment
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Joe Pater tested one last fall and gave his impressions at the national meeting. I remember most, Joe saying, essentially, "I want one."Comment
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I have gotten a 321 engine. We took it to Jacksboro, Texas to test and yes we had a few issues with it. But it seems like we had received conflicting information on setting up the carburetor and I hadn't got my 302 props to test with yet so we were using 102 wheels. I've since talked with several people including Joe Pater and believe I found the correct carb set up. I plan on going to Alexandria, Kentucky to test everything out once again and hopefully will have solved all my issues.Comment
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We tested a 321 yesterday with a 302 prop. I'll be posting the video with GPS overlay in the next week. Bottom Line, it ran very well, with top speed of 59.6 with 302 prop at legal height, on weight and no tuck. Again, the video will show acceleration curve and top speed. (It was tested on my boat with Elek Hutchinson driving hard, and Jeff Dobis confirmed setup)
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You ran it on a hydro or runabout?
If it's a hydro only about 7mph off from the big dogs.
Or 302ssh, I don't know what they run
TimLast edited by Tim Weber; 09-14-2015, 08:55 AM.Tim WeberComment
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Tim if he ran it as a 302SSH, with the 302SSH set up, that speed is in the ball park.
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Don AllenComment
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Don is correct, Video shows that he neither gained or lost on the winner with a 302. I'm more interested in the graphs of acceleration. I tested it on a runabout at Top O, and it had some "punch" to it.
When it comes to boat racing and the wife, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is permission, and of course I spent a number of nights sleeping on the couch!Comment
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When it comes to boat racing and the wife, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is permission, and of course I spent a number of nights sleeping on the couch!Comment
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It looks pretty darn good for a first try. It does look responsive. The motor sounds sort of like a lawn mower.
TimTim WeberComment
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Tom, while there are some veterans racing the class its really meant for new racers. With MHRA's drivers schools and TRORA's drivers schools bringing in new racers, this gives us a class to promote and start them out in. The hope is that once they have raced for a couple of years that they'll move into either 20SSH or CSH. However, if not, then they can continue to race 302SSH. If your club doesn't conduct racer schools or have new members joining outboard racing then you'll never understand the obstacle of selling the sport to new racers. Not many are going to walk off the street and jump right into one of the highly contested classes, at least not for long. You have to be a part of it and see it to truly appreciate the class as a promotional tool. And, the racing is really good and exciting to watch.Joe Silvestri
CSH/500MH
Dominic Silvestri
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As the newbie, who is a "graduate" of the racing school(s)...both TRORA and MHRA's schools....that 302 class is what drew me in. Now that I have my own boat (it's about time says Dave and Elek!)... I bought it with a 102 and will run it in 20 and CSH, but I want to get a 302 sealed and run that class also. It's incredibly fun, and I dunno where anyone gets the idea there's only 3-5 boats at a race? Every race I've been to this year the 302 class was the largest, usually getting split because there were so many there.
With one of the complaints I've seen thrown around about seat time for drivers....it's a good way to get into potentially four classes with one boat and two motors (20ssh, CSH, 302ssh, and 500 mod). Certainly won't be competitive in all of them, but who's going to turn down seat time...especially newbies looking to get on the water as much as they can?
The thing I learned just this past weekend is that nailing the start is almost more important than how fast your boat is, and it ain't easy at all. More seat time, more chances to practice those starts....again, important for us newbies. It's not easy to have your own buoys and start clock to go throw out on a local lake to practice that...kinda have to do it at a race event. Having veterans running in the class gives us a good yardstick to compare how we're doing.Dane Lance
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Was the class designed for Rookies or for a driver of any experience who wants to run a budget minded class
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Runabout333 I think you nailed it. BOX stock. It's easy for a newbie to get into in terms of knowledge. No worrying about expensive props to be competitive, no worrying about worked over motors, or getting the gear foot shaped and polished, etc. It's literally the "bolt it on and go" class.
It's also the slowest of the C class boats, which is good for new drivers, with the added benefit that you don't have to sink a lot of $$$ into reworked parts to be competitive. Realistically, the only thing that keeps a 302 from being in the pack is driving skill, which is one of the reasons for it.
I still have a little reservation on the "budget" part though. The sealed 302 is $3200 just for the motor.
Either way, from my limited experience, I'm all for having a sealed class. It's been a big draw at all the races I went to this year and every one of them was a good race. -
Runabout333 - cant it be both? The class is cost controlled and competitively balanced. It does not, nor should not be limited to rookies. However, it IS the best class for a rookie to start in. We can teach any new person to race and set goals to improve his/her driving. What I cant do is teach them how to beat veterans who have raced for 30 years and have thousand invested in motors an props. In MHRA if we have more than 8 302SSH at a race we split the first heat into heat 1A and 1B - thus the rookie has a more manageable number of boats to compete with. Then the second heat is everyone, you also have to learn to race in an 11 boat field. When we have elims. we run a conciliation heat so that everyone gets two heats. Yes, we have some veterans racing 302SSH, but our Racer School grads are also running near the top. It is a perfect class at the moment for both rookies to improve their skills and veterans who cant or don't want to break the bank with time or money to race.
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If we really were going to trim classes, 25SSR and CSR and 20SSH and CSH are basically the same class. Do we also really need a 25SSH class..... 302SSH is not the problem, it is the first step in the right direction in a long time. We have had 16 at a race this year and if motors become available and get setteled between 302 and 321 - I feel sure we will see 20 next year if not 24 at a race.
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