302 Super Stock Hydro update

[daveracerdsh]

Claiming rule

I am trying to keep everything we do in regards to the 302SSH class out in the open....I want to have everybody that is interested in class to know what is happening etc. We (the 302 committee) are going to look at implementing a claiming rule on complete motors....not just the powerhead. Both Jeff and myself have done quite a lot of research into how other forms of motor sports do it. Pretty interesting stuff. We are trying to make it so the "fur doesn't fly" if you know what I mean. Maybe somebody like Fred Hauenstein could answer this...but was there not a claiming rule considered for the motors (44 and 25XS) that ran in the Merc Challenge series? I sure remember that being chatted about. Dave

[wright racing]

claiming rule

can you explain the claiming rule for those that do not know what it is

[daveracerdsh]

Claiming rule

Sure. I will do the best i can,. A claiming rule works like this....either a racer or another group decides that a racers motor is either to hot or to fast for certain class..that motor may be a sealed motor, such as we have in 302SSh, or a non sealed motor, like is run in go karting.. A claim can be put on a motor by either a racer or the sanctioning body in the case of outboards. There is a set price established. And if the racer who is getting motor claimed refuses claim the penalties are harsh. We (302ssh committee) are just now looking into this. There is a lot of info available online claiming rule wise if people are interested.

[hoosier]

The claim rule can only work if there is a readily available supply of motors available . You can't claim a racers motor and leave him without a replacement till whenever . Just bringing up the possibilities .

[Dave M]

Claiming

Also, the claiming price should be equal to or actually slightly more than one can purchase a brand new one for. What if someone has a 302 currently, and pays TJ the $600 to seal it. Then someone claims that engine, and that person who just paid TJ $600.00 is stuck with shelling out $4k for a new engine. Or whatever the cost might be. I know a used one goes for $3200.00 and a new one has no price tag yet, they say they are going up in price but no idea how much. So if the claim rule cost does not cover the cost of a brand new engine, it is pointless to have in my opinion. The poor fella that had a 302 laying around wanted to support the class and race and got into the class becasue it was cheap to have his old 302 sealed, is out some serious coin. I think the spirit of claiming is good, but the execution of a plan is going to fail.

[daveracerdsh]

Claiming rule

If we implement this the person that gets his/her motor claimed will have access to another motor. We will not leave them out in the cold. This is still in the early discussion phases.....lots of things to go over.

[Charlie Pater]

It seams to me that changing the rules is going to discourage participation. Maybe you should consider a rules freeze for three years before tinkering with a good thing.

[DeanFHobart]

I Agree

It seams to me that changing the rules is going to discourage participation. Maybe you should consider a rules freeze for three years before tinkering with a good thing.

I agree......

Dean Hobart..........

[daveracerdsh]

Rules

Trust me... I understand what Charlie is saying. It might be that we got everything right out of the box.....we are close....but...we have to make sure that in the long run things are fair for all concerned. Both Jeff Brewster and I have been looking at other spec classes in car racing etc...and they ALL have some form of claim to keep things honest. We are still in the "looking" stage if you know what I mean. The 302 committee just want to get things right.....any more comments, ideas, you name it are more then welcome. Both Jeff and I are open books on this whole thing. Dave

[pav225]

Dave,
I think most Y302 motors are within .5-1 MPH. I understand the idea of a claim rule, but with motors that close in performance it may not be necessary.

Keep up the great work!
Mike

[DeanFHobart]

A Good Start

Dave,
I think most Y302 motors are within .5-1 MPH. I understand the idea of a claim rule, but with motors that close in performance it may not be necessary.

Keep up the great work!
Mike

Mike et all,

And a GOOD START cures several miles per hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I understand from what I have heard, that the outfits that are close to weight (420 lbs.) run the best. The speed has been real close.

Best Regards To All,

Dean Hobart.....................

[26V]

may be easy to resolve

If we implement this the person that gets his/her motor claimed will have access to another motor. We will not leave them out in the cold. This is still in the early discussion phases.....lots of things to go over.

Dave,
Have the claiming rule state that only a 302ssh motor owner can claim a 302ssh motor. and they have to "give up" their motor for the claimed motor. If the replacement motor needs work or freshened up (determined by an inspector and compression test at time of claim) the claimer must pay for the work.