Don't let Region 6 kill Sidewinder

[bill boyes]

I recall when many y102 owners were very concerned that the 302 would make anchors out of their 102's. I can recall the 2 years probation, the C-2 class etc. The only place we could run our 302 was OSY.

[Matt Dagostino]

Bill

I recall when many y102 owners were very concerned that the 302 would make anchors out of their 102's. I can recall the 2 years probation, the C-2 class etc. The only place we could run our 302 was OSY.

Bill..........the good news is you can run the 20ci Sidewinder in BSH, 25ssh, BSR and 25ssr. The 302 when it was introduced was stuck in 'neverland' for years looking for an identy that the spineless SORC would never grant!

[DiGia54D]

And now the 302 is legal in everything but J A and D

[Matt Dagostino]

302

And now the 302 is legal in everything but J A and D

The 302 has been 'available' for about 20 years now give or take and has established itself as a workhorse.

Last time i checked Stock Outboard was down to the following classes:
ASH
ASR
BSH
BSR
CSH
CSR
DSH
DSR
25ssh
25ssr
20ssh.......largest class.
302ssh(new class)

That's 12 classes and the 302 is legal in 5 of them. The Sidewinder 20ci is legal in 4 classes. So what's your point??

[bill boyes]

Very true. Then they wanted to make the 302 a class of it's own called C2. I went over the top at the SORC Meeting. I also told them about the cooling problem that we could not run at 1/2 inch. Took over 15 years for the SORC to lower the Height to 3/4in. The BIG Bad 302 turned out not to be a threat to the 102 as all the owners feared.
The very same thing is happening with the SW.
The plan to rename the 20ss or Combine the B class is a good one. A step towards getting back to the Basic A thru D. Keep the 15cu Hotrods only. Heck it is really a local class anyway. Now the hate mail!!!

[DiGia54D]

You just made my point. the 302 is legal in 5 classes. Not 2 or 3...but 5.... think about it...
20ssh. CSH and 302ssh should be it

[Matt Dagostino]

No Haters

Very true. Then they wanted to make the 302 a class of it's own called C2. I went over the top at the SORC Meeting. I also told them about the cooling problem that we could not run at 1/2 inch. Took over 15 years for the SORC to lower the Height to 3/4in. The BIG Bad 302 turned out not to be a threat to the 102 as all the owners feared.
The very same thing is happening with the SW.
The plan to rename the 20ss or Combine the B class is a good one. A step towards getting back to the Basic A thru D. Keep the 15cu Hotrods only. Heck it is really a local class anyway. Now the hate mail!!!

Bill.............no haters here on Hydroracer, just family bantering back and forth!

I was the one who made the proposal and pushed hard to get CSH class lowered to 3/4" to SAVE motors from burning up (both 102's and 302's). And it has worked!! When i tried it in 20ssh a couple years ago the midwest boys tore me apart and swayed the commission to leave it at 1/2". Oh well.

The idea you suggest of combining BSH/20ssh is interesting but 20ssh took on a life of it's own from the first day it was introduced in 1970 something. It is along with CSH the largest classes in APBA. Instead of 'dismantling 20ssh' perhaps we should be looking at the working model of why they (CSH/20ssh) are so successful and build off that.

[Matt Dagostino]

Point

You just made my point. the 302 is legal in 5 classes. Not 2 or 3...but 5.... think about it...
20ssh. CSH and 302ssh should be it

The NEW 20ci Sidewinder is legal in 4 classes!! Perhaps it should only be legal in 2 classes also???? I kinda think having a engine that can be used in a few classes is called VALUE. Just sayin.

Not sure we are on the same page here Wayne......oh well, i am thick headed i guess.

[bill boyes]

Where would the 20ssh be today without the Y302?

[Matt Dagostino]

yep

Where would the 20ssh be today without the Y302?

Good point Bill............it all just kinda fell into place over the years. Now the 302 had slowly become the motor of choice in 20ssh.

Wonder what the breakdown is of the 112 wet 20ssh boats that competed this year. I bet:

Yamato 80- 60 drivers

Yamato 302- 40 drivers

Yamato 102- 4 drivers

Sidewinder 20ci- 8 drivers

[Tim Weber]

102 zero

I don't think its legal

Tim

[Matt Dagostino]

Yep it is legal

102 zero

I don't think its legal

Tim

Tim
It is a legal engine (102) with the 7/16th restrictor plate. At least 2 folks run them in the midwest that i know of.

[Big Don]

Where would the 20ssh be today without the Y302?

Where would the Stock catagory be if Yamato hadn't come over?

[daveracerdsh]

Stock

The stock catagory would be a part of mod if it was not for Yamato. I hope everybody keeps in mind that there may not, aside from 302ssh, any new 302's available til mid summer. Hope that puts things in perspective.

[G Stillwill]

Wow mid summer I ordered my 20ci Sidewinder on Monday and picked it up the following Saturday