Don't let Region 6 kill Sidewinder

[guedo499]

BSH in region 10 is going to blow region 6 and 7's mind..... you think Sidor wants you racing BSH too...hahaha.

Hell yea we are and **** straight, I'm sure he does.

Tim was on the 302ssh committee and understood the opportunity Stock had in developing UIM OSY 400 (302ssh) to equal the budget playing field with mass-produced, available motors. In addition, I'm sure he would love to make the local BSH a national class, and with the availability of a new motor, now produced by a highly-respectable, manufacturing company, all-the-while, the R&D curve of that new motor is flattening out, that is why Tim would want me to race in BSH/BSR.

John.

*This is in no way Tim's direct comments, just my opinion of what a common sense racer could possibly think.

[sponsonhead]

if the motor is removed from 20 using this twisted method of membership-vote, I'm celebrating by buying SW 20 to run in non-existent-in-the-northwest B class.

You want Old Yeller (aka The Spirit of Monaco) back? Everything comes full circle, you know....

R-19

[reed28n]

4000 302's

4000 302 yamatos a year! holly crap, japan racing ,the gambling deal must go thru a ton of them during a year. literally a ton!

How many are available right now, no machining, no kill switch no additional shipping cost.... just race ready.

OK 7-10 day delivery. What is the total cost race ready.

How much run time is on the motor you are pitching? one race? one season? one heat? do we know?

[guedo499]

Everything comes full circle, you know....

R-19

True statement.
BUT,
Pavlick said he was going to build be a B boat.
It does come full circle.

[guedo499]

How many are available right now, no machining, no kill switch no additional shipping cost.... just race ready.

OK 7-10 day delivery. What is the total cost race ready.

How much run time is on the motor you are pitching? one race? one season? one heat? do we know?

None. But demand has outweighed domestic supply, which will be and is easily corrected. The supply stream seems to have an extended timeline because of import EPA issues, issues that once identified won't occur on the next order. There is also an established, effective, back-door way to ship motors in the USA, but you didn't hear that from me.

Cost? Call Ricky, he will know.

Who cares. Our OSY motor that we have used finally was re-rung after 6 years and it got faster the whole time until the cylinders we drastically out of round. I also burnt up that same motor blowing, the head gasket no fewer than 6 times in that life-span; with Yamato 302's, time-on-the-transom doesn't seem to make negative difference. One could argue, the more you use them, the faster they go.

I'm just excited to race classes where the one and only produced motor in that class is the motor of choice, aren't you?

[pav225]

Timeless...

Why I love Yamato's
- Great ride
- Good speed and acceleration
- Low maintenance and easy to work on (even a cave man can do it)
- No cowling like a fishing motor
- If it overheats, you simply cool it down and go back racing
- No impeller to break and cook motor
- Good for drivers from 125 up to 225 lbs.
- Japanese Quality
- Very seldom see one blow up
- They look cool...like a real race motor
- They are raced Worldwide
- It’s fairly inexpensive to buy one
- They are arguably the most dependable engine we have ever raced in outboards
- Most parts are available at the dealer
- I like the grease they produce
- Rewinds are cheap and you can have a 100 of them (this is my favorite)
- They simply kick a$$!
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[Matt Dagostino]

Wow...........

[QUOTE=pav225;231256]Timeless...

Why I love Yamato's
- Great ride
- Good speed and acceleration
- Low maintenance and easy to work on (even a cave man can do it)
- No cowling like a fishing motor
- If it overheats, you simply cool it down and go back racing
- No impeller to break and cook motor
- Good for drivers from 125 up to 225 lbs.
- Japanese Quality
- Very seldom see one blow up
- They look cool...like a real race motor
- They are raced Worldwide
- It’s fairly inexpensive to buy one
- They are arguably the most dependable engine we have ever raced in outboards
- Most parts are available at the dealer
- I like the grease they produce
- Rewinds are cheap and you can have a 100 of them (this is my favorite)
- They simply kick a$$!
__________________
"Ask anyone, I have no friends. I do have some people that put up with me and mostly because they like the rest of my family"



Mike...........you should be a spokesman for Yamato Racing LLC. The bullet point about liking the grease a Yamato produces is a bit weird, but then again this thread has gone off in all different directions so what the hell!

I just like the name.... YAMATO. It just sounds racy.

[PittmanRacing]

Matt, no offense taken. In fact, I like best when people share different perspectives without getting personal. Even if we all disagree, it should never be personal. btw - no one knows all the right answers either, although some seem to think they are a little bit smarter than the rest. The views expressed on this forum are often like the politics in this country, extreme on either side. I am in the middle and realistic.

We are open minded to a SW in the future. I just am waiting for others to sort them out so when I plop down my $, I can count on rope and go. Nothing is as reliable as a Yamato, but I can't say I love them quite like Pav. We can use them as a benchmark for what works. No one has any question that when they buy a new/used one, it will go. The closer other motors get to matching their consistency, the more attractive they will be to racers.

[Matt Dagostino]

Welcome Paul

Matt, no offense taken. In fact, I like best when people share different perspectives without getting personal. Even if we all disagree, it should never be personal. btw - no one knows all the right answers either, although some seem to think they are a little bit smarter than the rest. The views expressed on this forum are often like the politics in this country, extreme on either side. I am in the middle and realistic.

We are open minded to a SW in the future. I just am waiting for others to sort them out so when I plop down my $, I can count on rope and go. Nothing is as reliable as a Yamato, but I can't say I love them quite like Pav. We can use them as a benchmark for what works. No one has any question that when they buy a new/used one, it will go. The closer other motors get to matching their consistency, the more attractive they will be to racers.

All good..........i like to think these forums are about opinions and bantering back and forth. We all are in the same family. We all have our 'perspectives'

I know Sidewinder has 'issues' still but they are a lot less than one year ago.
I remember in 1970 something when we bought Yamato 80's in the box for $400 and had 'issues' for a while. Hell, how many Merc 15's have broken crankshafts (we had 2 over the years). Now the guys 'lap' them in to help the 'issue'.

And how many 'pouch' OMC engines does a person have to go through to get one that can run out front????.....

I am not a supporter of any engine company.. i am a supporter of STOCK OUTBOARD RACING and making decisions that are best for our sport and not any one engine company. I like to think that's the way all our leaders look at things. We don't need Sidewinders in every class just as we don't need Merc's, OMC's Yamato's Tahatsu's in all our classes. I just think all our classes need ONE available engine of choice in each class with the other older engines still allowed to be there for 'boat count' and a place to run.

Hope all is well.

Matt

[stevegray]

STOCK IS STOCK, Motors are available, let them run, or wait a bit and let a Yamato knock-off be sold World Wide at your local Wal-murt!

[Matt Dagostino]

Off topic

[QUOTE=PittmanRacing;231269 Nothing is as reliable as a Yamato, but I can't say I love them quite like Pav. We can use them as a benchmark for what works. No one has any question that when they buy a new/used one, it will go. The closer other motors get to matching their consistency, the more attractive they will be to racers.[/QUOTE]

Paul.........since we are way off topic again, let me add that my observation is the Sidewinders (when running correctly) seem to be almost identical in performance.

Although Yamato's are 'bulletproof and run consistently', there is a fair amount of disparity between a good running one and a 'great' running one. The certain 302 Mr Pav ran at Grass Lake in 2012 in 20ssh is a good example of a 'killer' engine. Just sayin.

Of course, no two engines, boats or props are ever the same, at least the Sidewinders all seem to be 'close' in horsepower to each other. In my opinion.

[pav225]

Although Yamato's are 'bulletproof and run consistently', there is a fair amount of disparity between a good running one and a 'great' running one. The certain 302 Mr Pav ran at Grass Lake in 2012 in 20ssh is a good example of a 'killer' engine. Just sayin.

Its all in the gas Captain.

[Big Don]

I thought you said, it was all driver.

[pav225]

I think it was my starts.

[reed28n]

Rules

While this has been an awesome debate, the petition you are all collecting is out of order in Stock Outboard. Please refer to the following rule which clearly states that classes and motor eligibility are left to the category. You can only use APBA general rules or by laws if the category does not have a rule that is more restrictive. And the stock rule clearly is.

2. Stock Outboard:
A. Racing for the Stock Outboard classes shall be conducted under the supervision of a Stock Outboard Racing Commission (SORC). The decisions of the SORC shall be final in all matters pertaining to the administration and interpretation of the rules for these classes. This Commission shall serve as an appeal board for owners, drivers, Referees, Inspectors and Race Committee. The SORC shall consist of at least one member from each Region of APBA with at least 30 Stock Outboard members. One of the SORC’s duties shall be the enhancement of membership and the promotion of the growth of Stock Outboard racing. The SORC shall have the power to determine that specific motors may be eliminated or approved for use in other classes with restrictions. Any action under this paragraph shall be made at the Association’s annual meeting. Any rule in conflict with this paragraph shall be automatically repealed.
Sorry fellas your petition will be denied by APBA by rule...... better get it on the SORC agenda for discussion, nothing will go to a vote without your commission's approval.