Miss my old APBA class

[14J]

Boy is this gonna anger some--out with the old and in with the new both engines or racers is the main thing needed to save the beast---Both are keeping the sport from growing, go to a cycle race and see how many young drivers and new bikes are there year after year. As I have said before boat racers are to cheap. Have at it.

I'll bite. You are spot on!

[reed28n]

Concerned?

Is anyone concerned that no one can beat Chuckies's 25XS motor?

Is there a reason with all the 102's in Michigan the only 102 that competed at the records was Joe's?

[Big Don]

Is anyone concerned that no one can beat Chuckies's 25XS motor?

Is there a reason with all the 102's in Michigan the only 102 that competed at the records was Joe's?

Nope not at all.

And BTW...It's Joey's 25 engine not Chucks.

The reason no other 102's competed there, was because they stayed home.

And you forgot one, anyone concerned that the Pavlick boats set the records?

All in in good fun, unless you were serious.

[pav225]

Is anyone concerned that no one can beat Chuckies's 25XS motor?

Is there a reason with all the 102's in Michigan the only 102 that competed at the records was Joe's?

What are you talking about???

At least Troy would check his facts before posting something...

[reed28n]

Joey Chuckie Z

aren't they the same guy?

[14J]

And you forgot one, anyone concerned that the Pavlick boats set the records?

All in in good fun, unless you were serious.

Listen I've been saying this for years, the Pavlick's should be banned from boat racing. They are just to darn nice! Yuck.

[25xs seeya!]

aren't they the same guy?

Oooohhhhhhh,,,,,, now you've done it lol

[Smitty]

[QUOTE=mercguy;229323]how many BIG manufacturers 2 stroke engines (outboard and motorcycle) do you see with side mounted intake and carbs???? [/QUOTE

Big manufacturers aside, for good-running loop engines with side-mounted carburetors, Daren, did you ever get to watch the Crescents running in the old Super C class? Or how about the A and B Anzanis, of which Ron Anderson and Jim Hallum built the fastest examples in the country?

Whatever the problem(s) are with the engine you don't like, and I've never seen one and know nothing about them, they don't mean that carburetion set up "sideways" to the cylinders can't work and work very well on other engines. Look at the incredible performance of the new Italian PRO engines, or of the previous generation of Yamato and Konig PRO motors.

[D_Allen_III]

I'm more concerned that no other CSHs even showed up at the record runs.

[mercguy]

[QUOTE=Smitty;229551]

how many BIG manufacturers 2 stroke engines (outboard and motorcycle) do you see with side mounted intake and carbs???? [/QUOTE

Big manufacturers aside, for good-running loop engines with side-mounted carburetors, Daren, did you ever get to watch the Crescents running in the old Super C class? Or how about the A and B Anzanis, of which Ron Anderson and Jim Hallum built the fastest examples in the country?

Whatever the problem(s) are with the engine you don't like, and I've never seen one and know nothing about them, they don't mean that carburetion set up "sideways" to the cylinders can't work and work very well on other engines. Look at the incredible performance of the new Italian PRO engines, or of the previous generation of Yamato and Konig PRO motors.

yes, I have seen them ROTARY engines Smitty.........and have the Hallum motor sitting in our shop.............BUT, it does NOT just ONE carb..........it has SEVERAL...............AND Ron Anderson was the guy that said the Sidewinder setup will NOT work...

[hpick86n]

Smitty Your quote about the Cresent you hadn't noticed the carbs are on the opposite side of the large intake ports,and all fuel/air intake charge has to go into the crankcase before entering the ports.Plus the motor is a looper not cross scavenged.

[reed28n]

blah blah blah

Smitty Your quote about the Cresent you hadn't noticed the carbs are on the opposite side of the large intake ports,and all fuel/air intake charge has to go into the crankcase before entering the ports.Plus the motor is a looper not cross scavenged.

The carbs are on the side. The guy with the first canvas deck was probably told it wouldn't work and the Wright Brothers would have never got of the ground if they listened to the nay sayers...

Lets not forget Columbus..... sometimes the world is actually round..... Bugs Bunny proved it!

[reed28n]

Hot Rod

The Hot Rod is a neat little engine from the 1950's that has evolved to be an awesome ride.

Now racers have access to a neat little engine built 50 years newer that is accessible, is an awesome ride and has increased the class size in parts of the country where the Hot Rod was struggling..... more people get to race and experience this ride.

[Sonny]

Here it is

Here it is the way I see it..I just bought my first 15 hot rod about 3 months ago and I really like it. We get our asses kicked when we pit it against the new Sidewinder in bsh but i don't really care. it was what I could afford... we are having fun... and making it to some races and making memories with good friends. Amongst all the controversy I would like to remind everyone how lucky you are to have people as dedicated to the sport as Ed and the rest of the Runne family. The time and effort that has been put into the sidewinder project is very impressive and the man does not deserve to be torn down for his efforts. Some food for thought...Mercury has abandoned us..they are not interested in selling 3 motors a year.. neither is omc, they could care less about the sport we enjoy so much. Don't get me wrong.. I love the products they make but the truth of it is the only way to make a small fortune in boat racing is to start with a big fortune. I agree that the parity could use some adjustment, and maybe there are some small bugs to work out but boat racing as a whole is very luck to have someone like Ed and you nay sayers shouldn't be kicking dirt on the man or his project.

[Smitty]

I was making a general point regarding what I thought was Daren's general question about side mounted carbs, and the engines I cited included piston-ported (Crescent), reed-valved (the Italian PRO motors), and rotary-valved (Anzanis, which were originally raced by Hallum/Walin and Anderson with single Vacturi carburetors). And as I said, I've never seen a Sidewinder. But if any of you ever has one apart, and has time to take a couple of photos and post them here, I'd be interested in seeing what you're talking about. If Ron says it won't work, you could hardly find a more credible opinion. I just want to know what's different about it from the engines I cited. As for it being a crossflow with a sideways carb, in the golden years of outboard racing in the Thirties, when there were college teams formed to do intercollegiate outboard racing, nearly all of their motors were crossflows with carburetors sideways to the cylinders.

Daren, I think I talked to you a while back. Are you working in the marina where Jim Hallum used to work? I see Jim every few months, as we share an interest in old aircraft (we drove up to the Experimental Aircraft Assn's big yearly fly-in at Arlington a couple of months ago, great fun). But I haven't seen Ron in many years.