"C" mod????

[Sonny]

HA, funny you should mention that. Last week... modified a Merc for "C" mod, This week... modified a yamato for "C" mod. apples and oranges, cant touch the reeds, cant chamfer any edges, cant really raise the ports. all you really get is the stinger pipe. If you can do the work yourself the merc is a supercool project with a lot of tricks but in the end it still weighs a lot more than a Yamato. Dont get me wrong, I'm going to put them side by side and find out for myself whats best on a runabout and a hydro......Get This...when it's all over I cant race either one in pro. But if I did less work, spent less money, and had a slower boat I could. nice huh.

[pro350hydro]

APBA has/had a pro class for Yamato 80's and 102's. It is/was called RB Hydro. As most of you know RB hydro is virtually dead, and going to be replaced soon by 175cc hydro. This is sad, as in the day there was many 80's and 102's on alky running as fast or faster than today's b or c mod. But if you really want to run an alky class, buy an alky motor. You will never be able to make a 102 keep of with a 350cc, 250cc, and would probably have a hard time getting by a new style 125cc. A good c-mod with a competition set up will run in the high 70's, which is very similar to the 125's I beileve.

[David_L6]

HA, funny you should mention that. Last week... modified a Merc for "C" mod, This week... modified a yamato for "C" mod. apples and oranges, cant touch the reeds, cant chamfer any edges, cant really raise the ports. all you really get is the stinger pipe. If you can do the work yourself the merc is a supercool project with a lot of tricks but in the end it still weighs a lot more than a Yamato. Dont get me wrong, I'm going to put them side by side and find out for myself whats best on a runabout and a hydro......Get This...when it's all over I cant race either one in pro. But if I did less work, spent less money, and had a slower boat I could. nice huh.

Just out of curiosity, what does each weigh?

[nightmoves]

Rb

Palmquist ran his CMOD at Depue last year in RB and took a second, very respectable. His main idea was to get it ready for the mod nationals the next week, you can run your mod there but there will some true RB,s there running alky motors, either way youll have a full class to play with.

[Sonny]

That's cool. I'm not that woried about it. I'm going to buy a 250. I cant let the rules push my buttons. I just want to have some fun

[Mike Beegle]

cmod

How many guys out there have c mod merc collecting dust that are now running yamatos???

Why???

Mabey we should have a 2 cyl c mod class... And a 4 cyl c mod class...

Mike

[nightmoves]

Huh?

Yeah thats what we need, more classes. We cant fill the majority of what we have now, there isnt much sense in adding another 3-4 boat class.

[Mike Beegle]

cmod

I agree lets cut out the 15 cubic omc from the line up and just let the kids race it...Once you get out of the Peach Fuzz age its time to move on, or take up knitting... I get tired of watchiing 15 cubic omc a class run 9 times a day.. Nothing like making half a dozen classes for one engine.. STUPID..... At least the 4 cyl merc draws a crowd... People like LOUD THINGS... if the c merc ran alone, alot would come out of the wood work... I can think of atleast 6 drivers in region 6 who own them...

Oh yeah ive been thinking of buying a runabout and hydro for the 15 cubic inch omc and run every possible class with one boat and one motor, between me and the kid ...because i want to be the guy at the drivers meeting who has to change the scedual because ive only got one motor and ive got to change restrictor a couple times inbetween a, axsh, j ,jpro and so on.. so my kid can race.

To sum it up There is a difference inbetween USFULL AND USLESS clasess...

My opinion may piss off others, Expecialy those over 20 who race the 15 cubic inch omc..

I race a yamoto mod and i think we should call it stockified not modified...

Mike

[mercguy]

HA, funny you should mention that. Last week... modified a Merc for "C" mod, This week... modified a yamato for "C" mod. apples and oranges, cant touch the reeds, cant chamfer any edges, cant really raise the ports. all you really get is the stinger pipe. If you can do the work yourself the merc is a supercool project with a lot of tricks but in the end it still weighs a lot more than a Yamato. Dont get me wrong, I'm going to put them side by side and find out for myself whats best on a runabout and a hydro......Get This...when it's all over I cant race either one in pro. But if I did less work, spent less money, and had a slower boat I could. nice huh.

Sonny, a Merc does not weigh that much more than a Yamato and the weight difference is not even a factor........

[mercguy]

How many guys out there have c mod merc collecting dust that are now running yamatos???

Why???

Mabey we should have a 2 cyl c mod class... And a 4 cyl c mod class...

Mike

there a a few Cmod Mercs out there that will give the best Cmod Yamato's a run for their money! This year's APBA Mod Nationals and NBRA Nationals will reveal them. I would be willing to bet that a Merc will come away with a National Championship in Cmod!

[Mike Beegle]

cmod

Your right there are a few that run.. I was at the nationals ... So where did all the 4 cyl merc go??? They are put away because for the most part they dont compete.. Most people choose the easy way out... Put a pipe on it and pull the rope and go... It takes a little home work to make a 4 cyl merc go.. And alo9t of wrenching... look at the cmerc Eric vanover raced for years With Expansion chambers.. and won a couple of championships with... Built by Bob Goller... They can run and they do run... I am building one my self because i dont ever want to see them go away.. as they have been... I may not be the fastest but you will have to make it over my wake...

[mercguy]

Awesome!!!!!

Your right there are a few that run.. I was at the nationals ... So where did all the 4 cyl merc go??? They are put away because for the most part they dont compete.. Most people choose the easy way out... Put a pipe on it and pull the rope and go... It takes a little home work to make a 4 cyl merc go.. And alo9t of wrenching... look at the cmerc Eric vanover raced for years With Expansion chambers.. and won a couple of championships with... Built by Bob Goller... They can run and they do run... I am building one my self because i dont ever want to see them go away.. as they have been... I may not be the fastest but you will have to make it over my wake...

Mike, this is an EXCELLANT post you made!!! All your points are well said. It does take ALOT more work (and $$$) to get the Merc to run with the Yamatos, but that is what makes it fun and more rewarding in the long run. Plus, the Mercs sound WAY better than the Yamatos.........

[Sonny]

Sonny, a Merc does not weigh that much more than a Yamato and the weight difference is not even a factor........

I haven't put them on a scale to find out exactly how big the difference is but I have lifted both of them and the Yamato is much lighter

[sam]

According to the Yamato homepage the 302 weighs 42kg, ?something around 92 pounds?

A fully dressed 30H weighs 115 pounds, but it can be lightened some for Mod, but I don't know if you can get 25 pounds off of it

[pro350hydro]

I agree lets cut out the 15 cubic omc from the line up and just let the kids race it...Once you get out of the Peach Fuzz age its time to move on, or take up knitting... I get tired of watchiing 15 cubic omc a class run 9 times a day.. Nothing like making half a dozen classes for one engine.. STUPID.....

because i want to be the guy at the drivers meeting who has to change the scedual because ive only got one motor and ive got to change restrictor a couple times inbetween a, axsh, j ,jpro and so on.. so my kid can race

LMAO........

Thats funny stuff......and yes, VERY true.