Mod Nationals to be Completed at Dayton

[STEVE FRENCH]

I just heard that APBA is considering a four year moratorium for the Stock and Mod categories so that some of the members can grow up!

Right!!.......I represent that!!.....At 50+.... I'm still wonder'n what I want to be......when I am old and decrepit (Or more than I am.....now!!)

[jswain3]

14-h

I agree with the lawyer. You all are a bunch of whiney asses.

Darren...you would have got worked over by Palmy & Vanover anyways...





Jordy

[18W]

Ed-
Can you clear this up for me please. The guys that ran their elims in Whitney Point for their National Championships paid $60 to compete. Now they must pay whatever your fees are on top of that?

Basically are the elims going to cost the $60 and then your finals an additional amount?

[14-H]

Ed-
Can you clear this up for me please. The guys that ran their elims in Whitney Point for their National Championships paid $60 to compete. Now they must pay whatever your fees are on top of that?

Basically are the elims going to cost the $60 and then your finals an additional amount?

Davey: I agree, it's not fair but such is life. We have to charge an entry fee or we cannot afford to run the race. The Championship races will be run on a record course and that was not available in WP so that is something the drivers will get at Dayton that they did not have available before. We are also using the entry fee to purchase trophies.

[MGallagher]

I GOT IT!!! Both sides of the country have closed course record courses on the same weekend. 2 laps for each qualified finals driver by themselves. Fastest time wins the championship.

[18W]

Ed-
I didn't say you couldn't charge a fee. Those that attended Whitney Point were under the premise that they were racing for their National Championship.That fee has already been paid by those in attendance. After the race was concluded, postponed, cancelled, whatever was decided, they were not not in fact racing for a Championship, but a spot in the finals.

Fairness is subject to judgement. I simply am trying to justify paying to race going forward. Record course, Nation Championship, local race, is irrelevant at this point. Simple economics, that is all.

This helps ME form MY decision.

[mercguy]

I agree with the lawyer. You all are a bunch of whiney asses.

Darren...you would have got worked over by Palmy & Vanover anyways...





Jordy

well, I am glad you are so sure of that.........and thats not the point....


it really does not matter what the outcome of the race is (and I really do not care at this point), there is going to be a huge cloud hovering over the top of the results and the decision of the BOD to overrule the general racing rules of APBA in regards to championship events.......and this sets a precedence of future racing, in regards to blow offs, etc.....

see you all next year at the 2014 Nats in Moses Lake, Wa

PS: guess you didn't watch the elims for 200ccmh where Olivia Valentine 54R was the fastest boat in the field...........so, the chance of her winning a Nat. Championship is being taken away also.......IMHO, 200ccmh, 200ccmr and 500ccmh should NOT be completed...

[pav225]

Morc

I know it's fun to blame Ed, but I'm not sure if he is part of the MORC that voted to continue the Mod Nationals at Dayton. Guess we should understand the facts before giving someone a hard time.

Tough call either way. SORC gets complaints for not finishing Nationals. MORC gets complaints for finishing them.

We have the 2nd half of the season in front of us. Lets enjoy it!

Mike

[DebStoner]

Oh my…….Just stop the whining, let’s go Boat Racing!

[racerchic3z]

I know it's fun to blame Ed, but I'm not sure if he is part of the MORC that voted to continue the Mod Nationals at Dayton. Guess we should understand the facts before giving someone a hard time.

Tough call either way. SORC gets complaints for not finishing Nationals. MORC gets complaints for finishing them.

We have the 2nd half of the season in front of us. Lets enjoy it!

Mike

I agree! It's always fun to blame Ed! I'm pretty sure he caused "global warming" too. But, he's not on the mod commission. He simply offered a venue to MORC. Fact.

Let's go racing!

Stacy

[MGallagher]

Oh no no no, Edward lobbied pretty hard at the MORC meeting at inspection, before offering Dayton as a venue.

[Big Don]

Just to stir the pot some more…

Some of this is assumptions because I can’t see another rule that would allow the MORC to overrule this rule.

G. There shall be no other Modified Outboard race sanctioned within the same geographic division on the same dates as a Modified Outboard National Championship. There shall be no other Modified Outboard class or classes sanctioned within the same geographical division on the same date as a Modified Outboard Divisional unless the Modified Outboard chair has written approval from the race director of the club hosting the Divisionals and the race director of the club with the conflicting race.

Now I was told that the MORC asked the BOD for and exemption on this rule based on this bylaw…

Section 12.3. Racing Commission Authority. Each Racing Commission shall act as one common body in all matters involving discipline, new classes, appeals from rulings of race committees and referees, developing and maintaining rules for each class in their category, national championship selection and selection of officials for national championship events subject to its grant of authority.

Now the funny thing about that rule is that is the same rule that the SORC used to make a decision on an appeal and we were told that we were overstepping our power. HMMMMMM.

I happen to think the MORC has the power to do what they did. It may hurt our local race but they made the decision based on what they thought was best for the sport.

I just think it’s funny that many didn’t think the SORC had that power to rule as we did, when we used the same rule.

[RuthieRae]

Refunds ETC...

Ed-
Can you clear this up for me please. The guys that ran their elims in Whitney Point for their National Championships paid $60 to compete. Now they must pay whatever your fees are on top of that?

Basically are the elims going to cost the $60 and then your finals an additional amount?

Last time I was a Race Director, and yes it has been a while, the postponed/cancelled/blown off races received a % of refund from the insurance costs for the lost racing days. I don't know about the park fees since it was beyond the conducting clubs controls whether or not they will receive money back for that and all the banquet money, ambulance costs etc.....and those who donated money back but maybe, just maybe they could have some $ to contribute back to Dayton to help lower the entry fees for those who already paid? I don't know the logistics, but like I said we always received a refund.........I know it will be some time before they see the money but maybe they can refund those who run at the "new and improved" MOD nationals..........? I know, stirring the pot, fire away.......
Ruthie

[racerchic3z]

Oh no no no, Edward lobbied pretty hard at the MORC meeting at inspection, before offering Dayton as a venue.

And that's why he gets paid the big bucks! (Insert lawyer joke here)

[Racerkyle20]

Yelm, wa

Next time this happens ill lobby to finish nationals at the fastest water in the world.

I think the sorc did the right thing here. Morc should have followed suit. Of course being on the west coast I'm biased for the 2 drivers it for sure left in the cold for their finals. If the coasts were reversed the Midwest/east folk would be up in arms at either category for displacing drivers from their potential finals. That is if the finals were rescheduled on the west.

Not only do these finals displace 2 drivers from realistically making their finals, but it decreases entries at other races such as lock haven (those that now must choose) and Wisconsin. The local races suffer, and that is a very bad thing.

I'm out. My 2...