what bored dummy came up with these rules??

[Dave M]

Not Correct

Lawyers and insurance companies...

They have zero to do with making APBA's safety rules. Nothing. They are ONLY an enforcer of the rules APBA puts in place. They could care less how fast you go in an open cockpit, they could care less if you wear Kevlar or snell approved helmets. They could careless what color your lifejacket is, or your helmet. They don't care if your sponson tips are round square, sharp as a knife, or pink. They sure the heck don't care if your cockpit side is re-enforced with two layers of kevlar. And I can say one thing, they REALLY don't give a hoot if you have a born on date on your boat or not !

Stop and smell the roses..... they seriously need smelled.... and right now.

[94H]

David Mason,
What ??????. I'm telling your Mom......

I've been race director at Huntington for twenty eight years and the insurance costs is always proportional to the boat and spectator risk. Boat and safety requirements may not be dictated by the insurance company, but it's connected to the site risks and the insurance costs my club has to absorb.

Being the closest race site to both K&K and ASIS ( twenty minutes) I always got visited. I laughing that others are now getting visited and crying about
it. I don't like the hot pit fencing either and have been working out some compromises that will satisfy my operating budget and insurance risk. Others should do the same.

All of us (APBA, Title Series and NBRA) should be on the lookout because the next hot button is spectator injuries - $$$$$$$

Also, I wish people would actually tell us who they talked with to get information. Let's put people on the spot.

Fire away Steve French. I'm leaving for a while and won't reply to your nonsense.

BK

[Dave M]

Uh Oh

David Mason,
What ??????. I'm telling your Mom......

I've been race director at Huntington for twenty eight years and the insurance costs is always proportional to the boat and spectator risk. Boat and safety requirements may not be dictated by the insurance company, but it's connected to the site risks and the insurance costs my club has to absorb.

Being the closest race site to both K&K and ASIS ( twenty minutes) I always got visited. I laughing that others are now getting visited and crying about
it. I don't like the hot pit fencing either and have been working out some compromises that will satisfy my operating budget and insurance risk. Others should do the same.

All of us (APBA, Title Series and NBRA) should be on the lookout because the next hot button is spectator injuries - $$$$$$$

Also, I wish people would actually tell us who they talked with to get information. Let's put people on the spot.

Fire away Steve French. I'm leaving for a while and won't reply to your nonsense.

BK

Bob,

Tell away ! LOL ! I will call out my source, the insurance agent himself. I am talking more of the safety rules, as is the point of this thread, and not site restrictions, if that helps. But still, the agent tells me it was not their idea for the fencing, etc, and our saftey rules in regards to rounded sponsons, etc. Did the agent inform me wrong ? I thought instead of going by hearsay, I would go directly to the horses mouth. Maybe it was the agent that was not infomred by corporate ? One thing is for sure, we don't need a rule about smoking while filling up your gas tank in the pits, yet..... just saying. I think we can handle our own.

[form-e one]

soo whe all hate these bull--it rules they want to msake up every year to give us something to do over the winter how we all gonna get rid of these bs rules,,, and simplify them to the ones that rally matter????that and boat inspector training i guess,,

[bill van steenwyk]

The only way I can see it would happen.................

soo whe all hate these bull--it rules they want to msake up every year to give us something to do over the winter how we all gonna get rid of these bs rules,,, and simplify them to the ones that rally matter????that and boat inspector training i guess,,

..........is if the members of the safety committee and the chairman of same is changed, along with the BOD members that seem to go along with approving these rules.

As you know (or maybe do not, and if that is the case you have no one to blame but yourself) the membership has no vote on a "safety rule". NONE!

The only time I have ever seen one rescinded by a vote of the membership is the so called "radio rule", when the prohibition of same was originally thrown out by an APBA appeals committee when the appeal committee ruled the PRO Commission had no right to make the rule prohibiting them in the first place, AS A SAFETY RULE, then Chairman Eddie advised the commission on ways to get around the National Commissioner by a vote of the membership that again prohibited them. Funny how Eddie is always at the center of these kind of things. Reminds me of the A Hydro deal last year.

Anyway, the only way these type situations can be stopped to start with, is by the membership voting for BOD members who most closely agree with the majority regards the implementation of "safety rules" with no vote or input by the membership who is most affected, personally and financially. Also voting for National officers who are responsible for appointing the members of the safety committee.

I have little hope of that ever happening, because even though I have witnessed this type of conversions/posts since the inception of Hydroracer, only about 20-30% of the membership bothers to vote on the National ballot for these offices. Until that changes, nothing else will, unless some of your leaders get the gumption and general feeling that USTS did and take control of their own destiny so as to control not only this type situation, but the rising costs as well that belonging to APBA at present require.

As has been mentioned numerous times on this site, a famous quote from the POGO comic strip might be in order now. It goes "I have met the enemy, and he is us".

[STEVE FRENCH]

"Fire away Steve French. I'm leaving for a while and won't reply to your nonsense."
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"Fire away"> Incoming!>>SPLAT!>>What the....?, Ouch!! Bobby, There's rocks in dat mud! .http://www.usingenglish.com/referenc...ind-sided.html..
I'm telling MY Mommy!.....Now that would be nonsense!!..... (and funny knowing my MOM!!!!)


That muddy (but humorous) nonsense aside, I guess this is my nonsense your referring to.... https://hydroracer.net/forums/showpos...8&postcount=94


Also, I wish people would actually tell us who they talked with to get information. Let's put people on the spot. OK>https://hydroracer.net/forums/showpos...0&postcount=22

OK BK, wish granted. Here's the source of information for my nonsense on the spot, (in reply to your own) .... Interesting how it makes sense to them;

http://www.apba.org/resources/2012-i...osal-form-4341

If the file won't open;

APBA Inboard Rule Change Proposal Form

Office use only:
Control Number: 2012-
Assigned Group:
Initial Screening :
Ballot: Pass: ______/ Fail: _____
Effective for Race Year: _________

H2012 Rule Change Proposal

Author:
APBA #:
E-mail:
Telephone:
Date:

Note: Proposals must be submitted to the Inboard Office by October 31 ,2011 to be considered.
Save and E-mail completed form to: inboardoffice@yahoo.com
US mail to Rich Evans APBA Inboard Office 4992 County Highway 96 Carey, OH 43316-9567

Check all that apply:
General Safety Rule................._
General Racing Rulle................._
Stock Class Technical Rule * ...._
Modified Class Technical Rule *.._

Affected Class(es):

Specific Rule Information: [Note: All fields must be completed for consideration.]

Rule number
Page number of rule:

Author”s VERY BRIEF Summary of Proposed Action:

Affected Rule:

Proposed rule:

Reason for change:

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Does this then become their pre-meeting, specified agenda of proposals posted, to all members before the national meeting that ALL inboard members can be onboard with and use as reference to their questions later when pass/fail results are posted? http://www.apba.org/resources/2013-i...e-changes-5445

Apply this APBA form with deadline to kneel-down class proposals and END last minute, at the meeting table, class proposals and the "What the....","When the ....", Why the....??", confusion and posts that fallow here ....................... nonsense?
Examples(Give them 10-20 seconds to dowynload through the "can't find" warnings. They'll come up);
http://www.apba.org/sites/all/files/...olinaro_0.docx
http://www.apba.org/sites/all/files/...olinaro_0.docx
http://www.apba.org/sites/all/files/...0Henderson.doc

.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense ..> "........Many poets, novelists and songwriters have used nonsense in their works, often creating entire works using it for reasons ranging from pure comic amusement or satire, to illustrating a point about language or reasoning." > https://hydroracer.net/forums/showpos...24&postcount=7


I do appreciate you putting me on the spot about my illustrating nonsense and still paying attension to it..........cause most do just ignore it..........or refer to it .......in their own poetic reasoning ......>> ; http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/put+on+the+spot

"What ??????. I'm telling your Mom">Luv ya 94H....SEEEEE YAAAA....In my wake!! .......100N>

100N-Hydro Whiner (Now hugging my 25MOD .......motor box) > http://www.quotesmessages.com/28055/...be-entertained

[reed28n]

what they do care about

They have zero to do with making APBA's safety rules. Nothing. They are ONLY an enforcer of the rules APBA puts in place. They could care less how fast you go in an open cockpit, they could care less if you wear Kevlar or snell approved helmets. They could careless what color your lifejacket is, or your helmet. They don't care if your sponson tips are round square, sharp as a knife, or pink. They sure the heck don't care if your cockpit side is re-enforced with two layers of kevlar. And I can say one thing, they REALLY don't give a hoot if you have a born on date on your boat or not !

Stop and smell the roses..... they seriously need smelled.... and right now.

This point was made earlier in the thread, the insurance company is looking to make sure we are following our own rules and that is where we fall down.

They let the sanction body control the rules. I believe it is critically important to have one set of safety rules for all of APBA made by a small group that really understands the implementation and enforce success rate. Remove all the duplication general, duplication mod, duplication pro, duplication stock and make following an APBA safety rule a condition of membership.

Working for a world class operation in the paper making industry has totally changed my view on safety, it can be done and it is all about the culture. It really becomes exactly like your kid reminding you to buckle up in the car.

Set the rule then enforce the rule, the debate will go away and APBA will gain a great deal of credibility.

[Howie Nichols]

****, I agree with Reed!!!

[14J]

****, I agree with Reed!!!

I don't. He's really not that smart.

[Matt Dagostino]

Troy

I don't. He's really not that smart.

You ever going to get back to me about Hinton??.............don't worry about Reed so much!!

[roperz111]

..........it's kinda like the metric system, if you want to use the metric system go move to Europe and have at it.

APBA stands for the AMERICAN Power Boat Association the last time i checked.

They don't call him CAPTAIN AMERICA for nothing!

[Number19]

Just a little input from a non-member (APBA). I'm currently building my first boat and figured I might do some racing. So I went to APBA's website, started going over the rules to participate and quickly decided, nope, not for me.

Back in the 50's racing was BIG. Today, to the casual observer - me for example - it no longer exists. This is literally true for my neck of the woods down here in Texas. If I did want to race sanctioned races, I'd have to travel.

I'm going to race for fun. May even put an add in the paper to see if there is enough interest to hold some amateur races on our local waters. But in my opinion, when you lose the participation of the general public, that's the way to a slow death.

I'm curious, what's the racing membership of the APBA? I tried to find the numbers on the internet and was not successful.

[blueskyracer]

Just a little input from a non-member (APBA). I'm currently building my first boat and figured I might do some racing. So I went to APBA's website, started going over the rules to participate and quickly decided, nope, not for me.

Back in the 50's racing was BIG. Today, to the casual observer - me for example - it no longer exists. This is literally true for my neck of the woods down here in Texas. If I did want to race sanctioned races, I'd have to travel.

I'm going to race for fun. May even put an add in the paper to see if there is enough interest to hold some amateur races on our local waters. But in my opinion, when you lose the participation of the general public, that's the way to a slow death.

I'm curious, what's the racing membership of the APBA? I tried to find the numbers on the internet and was not successful.

Dont write off sanction racing just yet..In your neck of the woods is another group that goes by NBRA..They have an ad on this site on the portal page and they are right their. The rules are simple and the entry fees are cheap. Also the folks are friendly and will give the shirt off their backs to help you

[Dave M]

Texas

Just a little input from a non-member (APBA). I'm currently building my first boat and figured I might do some racing. So I went to APBA's website, started going over the rules to participate and quickly decided, nope, not for me.

Back in the 50's racing was BIG. Today, to the casual observer - me for example - it no longer exists. This is literally true for my neck of the woods down here in Texas. If I did want to race sanctioned races, I'd have to travel.

I'm going to race for fun. May even put an add in the paper to see if there is enough interest to hold some amateur races on our local waters. But in my opinion, when you lose the participation of the general public, that's the way to a slow death.

I'm curious, what's the racing membership of the APBA? I tried to find the numbers on the internet and was not successful.

Texas has many racers in the NBRA. We race and test in Jacksboro TX. It is a huge event for the town, and they built us a race site. We were treated right there last year. The venue was fun. If you want some more info let me know, I will put you in touch with the head of the Texas club, and I also know the commisioner for TX pretty well.

We will get you in a boat this year if you are willing. Not to take a jab at any sanctioning body, but our rules are simple. Look them up online. Pretty much black & white, just like when you used to race.Oh, and there are most likely at least 2 or 3 events within a few hours of you.

[PROPDOC]

Call me....

Just a little input from a non-member (APBA). I'm currently building my first boat and figured I might do some racing. So I went to APBA's website, started going over the rules to participate and quickly decided, nope, not for me.

Back in the 50's racing was BIG. Today, to the casual observer - me for example - it no longer exists. This is literally true for my neck of the woods down here in Texas. If I did want to race sanctioned races, I'd have to travel.

I'm going to race for fun. May even put an add in the paper to see if there is enough interest to hold some amateur races on our local waters. But in my opinion, when you lose the participation of the general public, that's the way to a slow death.

I'm curious, what's the racing membership of the APBA? I tried to find the numbers on the internet and was not successful.

Number19,
Where are you located? The Lone Star Outboard Racing Association is based in Ft. Worth.

I'm the President of the Lone Star Outboard Racing Association and can help you get going in the right direction if you want to race. We as a club are a member of the NBRA and, as Mike and Dave have pointed out, the rules are simple. Please feel free to call me or email me..... Our race in Jacksboro will be 8/16 to 8/18 this year,

Gardner Miller
817-439-1272
ghmsynthetics@yahoo.com