No more helmet cams............

[HydroKyle93R]

LOL, just throwing it out there. But it seems like I have the biggest bone in this fight. With 75+ public videos, and I don't give a sh*t! Time to go shoulder mounted anyway, for everyone that got sea-sick from my swiveling helmet videos.


Thanks for the heads up, though. I'll be sure to keep my head and neck STRAIGHT AHEAD from now on. I think this means I may not see as much, but you won't have to witness it second-hand.

[DtwSailor]

OK, enough b!thcing and let's go race boys and girls!
BTW if I had the camera mounted on my head and not the boat, you would never see the fish swim buy in this video around 16 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_oxk5R6MnA

[pearson95m]

FYI. At least two of our “APBA National Safety and Rescue Committee” members (Bill Chilcott and Kent Fauntleroy) had zero knowledge that this safety rule was even being considered or discussed, let alone any sort of test data.

Helmet cam rule aside… I think we have bigger issues going on…

Just throwing that little nugget of information out there…

[Art K]

I wonder how come moto cross,and open wheel racing allow them. Seems like that would be a bigger hazard.
Art K

[sponsonhead]

Maybe that's because....

FYI. At least two of our “APBA National Safety and Rescue Committee” members (Bill Chilcott and Kent Fauntleroy) had zero knowledge that this safety rule was even being considered or discussed, let alone any sort of test data.

...neither of them were present at the APBA Meeting this year.

Maybe I'm kind of old fashioned, but if I was going to agree to serve on a committee, I would want to take the time to attend the meeting the one time of year that committee meets. But, that's just me.

R-19

[pearson95m]

ahhhh... thanks for that. they failed to mention that to me.

[pearson95m]

So then can I assume that this discussion and decision took place in Dallas? Are there meeting minutes from this discussion? I’d just like to learn more about how my helmet cam can hurt me. I’m not saying that to be sarcastic or to be a smart azz either. I’m being serious, I’d like to read about the discussions that took place. I use my camera for testing purposes as well. I’d like to know what kind of risk I really am taking.

[sponsonhead]

Info

So then can I assume that this discussion and decision took place in Dallas? Are there meeting minutes from this discussion? I’d just like to learn more about how my helmet cam can hurt me. I’m not saying that to be sarcastic or to be a smart azz either. I’m being serious, I’d like to read about the discussions that took place. I use my camera for testing purposes as well. I’d like to know what kind of risk I really am taking.

I've been asked to do a safety article on this subject for Propeller Magazine. I am researching the issue now with several different sources. This will probably run in the June issue, so look for some info there that will hopefully cover the risks and attempt to answer questions people are having.

And before anybody wants to suggest I may have a dog in this fight, let me point out that my employer (Security Race Products) does in fact sell GoPro cameras.

R-19

[propmag]

Current APBA Bylaws apparently do not require personal attendance at the Annual Meeting for committee members. Should they? Can't find an agenda or minutes from Safety Committee online.

[14J]

I look forward to reading the forthcoming safety data presented in support of the cam issue. I’m sure the decisions made in Dallas were justifiable and based on empirical evidence.
It still puzzles me that we have a cut resistant sleeve and pant policy yet there is nothing in place to address hand and foot risk. Cam's are a perceived risk and I will continue to believe so until concrete evidence or test data is shoved under my nose. I'd like the ASH test data provided at the same time.
I'm confident that we have real data on foot and hand injuries during a 10 year period yet I see nothing on the books requiring me to use it. Is the helmet cam rule a good idea? I can agree that it probably is. Are my hands and feet any less valuable? Probably not yet we legislate one and leave the other open to an individuals judgment.

[Howie Nichols]

Josh have you tried any of the UIM sites for the data? (I have not) I know Bob Wartinger presented this and has done research for the UIM on the subject so he would be your best source of info...

[Racerkyle20]

Soa

YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!!!

Have a LOT of fun in about 10 years or so racing by yourself when this type attitude has run everyone else you used to play with off.

If you don't get the picture, what everyone is upset about and always has been is the high handed way a very few (sometimes one) folks make these rules without any input from membership except those who are lucky enough and have the time an money to attend an annual meeting.

Your attitude (and others) is EXACTLY why APBA will not have membership/sanction money from a goodly portion of the PRO membership anymore.

I race in one of the premier racing clubs in the country. 18 CSH's (only 2 out of region) at yelm last fall and over 100 entries each weekend of racing. I don't believe i'll be racing by myself anytime soon in the pacific NW. In fact we have 5 J hydro's being built as we speak in region 10. The inboard groups all have kids and want J's racing at their races now. And just for extra measure a lot of mid 20's-30 year old members are having children of their own now. The next generation of racers are coming. Outboard racing (J/SO/MOD/and PRO) is alive and well in the greater Seattle area. Maybe come check us out sometime.

To add to that. Why does this thread have 6000+ views, yet my post about promoting the sport doesn't even have 1000 hits yet? Maybe members should be more worried about promoting the sport so certain areas of the country are not racing by themselves, than worrying about were they can mount their cameras.....

http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25800

[bill van steenwyk]

you STILL don't get it.....

In order to answer your question, "Why does my post promoting the sport have so many less views, etc., etc., " versus the defense you give to this stupid helmet cam issue and some few's incapability to just mind their own business and stop trying to protect us from ourselves, I have more thought for your mill.

I would suggest those few who are responsible for passing the rules responsible for getting these 6000 hits and obviously upsetting so many members, just cool it for awhile, and maybe your posts trying to promote the sport would see some results.

I prefer to think that the various organizations that promote all types of Bike, Automobile, and other type racing, an also the manufacturer of the systems available (the ones that are ultimately liable) have given this (the camera issue) some small amount of thought, and decided this is not a great area of potential harm compared to the act of racing itself, especially, when as mentioned several time previously in this thread, there are lots more very sharp things on boats and motors, both stationary and rotating at high RPM, that can do lots more obvious and serious damage.


I guess the obvious conclusion I can come to is there are several more than you, THAT JUST DON'T GET IT!! Perhaps you could enlist THEIR help in your effort to promote the sport, by helping you in the sports promotion instead of hindering by all these "safety" rules that the general membership do not like as evidenced by the many posts on the subject in this thread.

[ram95]

Helmet cams and jock straps

Once again, we have a solution to a problem that does not appear to exist down here at our kneeler-laydown level of racing. No wonder there have been 6000 hits. It only seems logical to me that when something appears on the horizon that we would be given the opportunity to read about it and entertain an informed discussion (facts) before having a rule shoved up our butts. DOT helmets; cut-suit re-ert; helmet expiration; breath-O-lizer; flak inserts; pickles, etc. It's like the various committees and the members thereof are afraid to enable a discussion.

We have too many committees in APBA - Too many cooks spoil the broth. I don't know who said that, and don't care... but it sure is true.

And, for those of us who might be accused of 'stirring the pot'... I take comfort in telling you to keep it up. Because: As Samuel L Clemments (Mark Twain) said "you gotta stir the pot to keep the scum from rising to the top".

So, My Diminishing Circle of Friends.... LET'S KEEP STIRRING THIS MUTHA.

Alex

[pav225]

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I race in one of the premier racing clubs in the country. 18 CSH's (only 2 out of region) at yelm last fall and over 100 entries each weekend of racing. I don't believe i'll be racing by myself anytime soon in the pacific NW. In fact we have 5 J hydro's being built as we speak in region 10. The inboard groups all have kids and want J's racing at their races now. And just for extra measure a lot of mid 20's-30 year old members are having children of their own now. The next generation of racers are coming. Outboard racing (J/SO/MOD/and PRO) is alive and well in the greater Seattle area. Maybe come check us out sometime.

To add to that. Why does this thread have 6000+ views, yet my post about promoting the sport doesn't even have 1000 hits yet? Maybe members should be more worried about promoting the sport so certain areas of the country are not racing by themselves, than worrying about were they can mount their cameras.....

http://www.hydroracer.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25800

Amen Kyle!!!

Let's spend our time and energy promoting the sport, getting new people in boats, and working on our equipment!!

Maybe we should set some "ground rules" for future complaints. Feel free to complain if you:
1) Raced at a local race in the last year
2) Volunteered at a local race in last year
3) Voted on APBA issues and for its leaders
4) Held a position in your local club
5) Have worn a GoPro on your helmet while racing

It's fun to complain, but I don't think this rule impacts many people, and is a simple way to reduce stress on the neck during a crash. Yes, we still have safety gaps ( pickle forks, fins, hands, feet, turn fins, props, etc). If you have a real concern, put a proposal together and share your ideas. Be sure to get Bob Wartinger involved as he has a worldwide view of safety and effective ways of supporting it in all forms of boat racing.

Fire away.

Mike