Anyone Recognize this Boat

[David_L6]

Not sure of the length of a B, but 10' 6" is wrong for a B.

I ran a C mod on my 10' 6" boat.

[krazy karl]

The boat is for sale and is still available. However the owner doesn't really want to sell it as it brings customers into the shop, so he has placed a price of $900 on it. Pretty steep I think.
kk

[John Schubert]

Sid-Craft

The boat is for sale and is still available. However the owner doesn't really want to sell it as it brings customers into the shop, so he has placed a price of $900 on it. Pretty steep I think.
kk

If ther is no or little rot, that's the going price for an un-restored Sid. If it wasn't on the West Coast, I would buy it.

[krazy karl]

It appears to be a good sound boat. I didn't go over it to closely but structurally it looks to be in good shape. Has a patch on the bottom up front from an apparent "incident".

[Ron Hill]

I Was Talking to Jimbo and Cathy

Funny, Jimbo said, "He never had 21-C on his B Sid Craft"...until I showed him a picture of his B Sid...Jimbo said, "He thought he 'totaled' his B Sid in a wreck at Needles, 1969, when Jimbo, Ed Peters, me and someone else crashed in CSH. Jimbo gave his Sid away after the four boat wreck, but he thinks Frank Zorkcan fixed it....

When I left Jimbo's, i felt he was sure this was his boat.

[Smitty]

The two groups of photos, at the top and at the bottom of page one, are surely of different boats. The afterplane length of the boat with the four-cylinder on it looks to be nearly a foot longer than that of the first boat. Sid-Craft built some semi-short sponson boats in various sizes before or after the really-short sponson boats, and that's what the second boat appears to me to be, and much too long for a B Stock hydro of that era. Hard to tell about the first boat; if you go by it again, tape-measure the overall length, bottom width between airtraps, and afterplane length (back of sponson to back of boat), then all the old guys can tell you what class it was built for.

[krazy karl]

Measurements

Will do when I get a chance. They are only open a couple of times a month. Kind of a hobby antique shop. Probably a tax write off more than anything else. The owners live out of the area.
kk

[Ron Hill]

The "Short Sponson" Sid

The two groups of photos, at the top and at the bottom of page one, are surely of different boats. The afterplane length of the boat with the four-cylinder on it looks to be nearly a foot longer than that of the first boat. Sid-Craft built some semi-short sponson boats in various sizes before or after the really-short sponson boats, and that's what the second boat appears to me to be, and much too long for a B Stock hydro of that era. Hard to tell about the first boat; if you go by it again, tape-measure the overall length, bottom width between airtraps, and afterplane length (back of sponson to back of boat), then all the old guys can tell you what class it was built for.

The pictures Bill Boyes posted are of Jimbo's D, Short Sponson Sid. Jimbo was confused himself. The picture on BRF where Jimbo was standing in front of his trailer with three Hill Runabouts and three hydros. On BRF, I said the three hydros were all Sids. But, on close viewing, Jimbo and I agreed that the three boats were his May Craft, his D Short Sponson Sid and his B Sid.

Jimbo's C Sid Craft, never had a B on it, as Jimbo recalled.

[John Schubert]

Sids

Ron,

I also thought that one of the hydros on the trailer was a Ted May boat & not a Sid. The cowl in front of the steering wheel is different then a Sid & the area around the front deck curves somewhat different then the Sids.

[Smitty]

In the mid-'60s there were still quite a lot of Sid-Crafts, hydros and some runabouts, of various classes in Reg. 10. At some point in the late-'50s/early-'60s, Sid made an immediately visible change in his small stock hydros. The earlier A's and B's had cockpits that got wider from the transom to the cowl, and the cowl itself was low, roughly like the Marchettis of the same years. The later boats had cockpits with parallel sides, and the bigger, half-round cowls. Can somebody attach a date to this change?

Also, does anyone know all the beginning and ending dates and miscellany on the short-sponson hydros? That was quite an experiment. My pal Dan York bought a brand new B boat in about 1963 or '64 that I'd call a semi-short-sponson boat. Another guy, Doug Mahurin, picked up a BSH with very short-sponsons from somebody else. Poor Doug was a novice, trying to drive a fast but lousy-handling boat, and went out of it three or four times until Bob Rhoades made some suggestions on set-up and fin placement that he himself had learned while racing C and D on a short-sponson Sid. Several of the D Stock guys here had short-sponson Sids: Tom O'Neill, who took the competition record from another owner of one of those boats, Mike Raich; also Rhoades, Paul Longthorpe, and Roy Williams who was killed in an accident with his. There were a couple of bigger alky Sids running too, particularly by Jack Reed, who owned the COH class (both records, National Champ) with an FC Konig. I hope a few of those boats got saved; to a 19-year-old novice those short-sponson Sids looked like some real serious, no-compromises racing machinery!

[John Schubert]

Jack Reed

In the mid-'60s there were still quite a lot of Sid-Crafts, hydros and some runabouts, of various classes in Reg. 10. At some point in the late-'50s/early-'60s, Sid made an immediately visible change in his small stock hydros. The earlier A's and B's had cockpits that got wider from the transom to the cowl, and the cowl itself was low, roughly like the Marchettis of the same years. The later boats had cockpits with parallel sides, and the bigger, half-round cowls. Can somebody attach a date to this change?

Also, does anyone know all the beginning and ending dates and miscellany on the short-sponson hydros? That was quite an experiment. My pal Dan York bought a brand new B boat in about 1963 or '64 that I'd call a semi-short-sponson boat. Another guy, Doug Mahurin, picked up a BSH with very short-sponsons from somebody else. Poor Doug was a novice, trying to drive a fast but lousy-handling boat, and went out of it three or four times until Bob Rhoades made some suggestions on set-up and fin placement that he himself had learned while racing C and D on a short-sponson Sid. Several of the D Stock guys here had short-sponson Sids: Tom O'Neill, who took the competition record from another owner of one of those boats, Mike Raich; also Rhoades, Paul Longthorpe, and Roy Williams who was killed in an accident with his. There were a couple of bigger alky Sids running too, particularly by Jack Reed, who owned the COH class (both records, National Champ) with an FC Konig. I hope a few of those boats got saved; to a 19-year-old novice those short-sponson Sids looked like some real serious, no-compromises racing machinery!

Smitty,

Not sure that Jack Reed won a national championship & held any records with Sid's in COH. Can you recall when he won the championship & set the recod with the FC?

[Smitty]

It's remotely posssible that I still have an old rulebook with the record or records; I'll look. I believe Reed won COH when the Nats were held on Moses Lake out here in '63, when Jim Schock won four or five other titles. Dick Rautenburg in AOH (Sid/Konig) and Hal Tolford (Karelsen) in Service Hydro were the only other local winners. Hu Entrop ran away from the other F Hydros, but jumped the gun in one heat. I still have a magazine that covered this event.

Meanwhile, I'll bet you're the one who can answer those questions about Sids . . . .

[Smitty]

In my 1967 APBA rulebook, which I don't have next to me, Jack Reed held the 5-mile UIM/national competition record for COH at 75-point-something mph, set at Yelm in 1963 with Sid/Konig. If he had also set a kilo record, it had been broken by that point, Ted May having it as of the end of 1966.

[Ron Hill]

Off the Subject But

At the Kilos, March 1964, Harry Bartolomei put his four carb Konig on Ted May's D Stock Hydro. Ted took a short ride, and decide he needed lead on the nose. Ted added 25 pounds of lead to the nose, Harry kicked the motor under as far as he could.

Ted ran though the kilos at 94 MPH for a new C Outboard Hydro record.

This was one of the first four cylinder Konig's to appear in the USA.

I think this was 1964.

In 1967, I broke the C Racing Runabout and D Racing Runabout Kio Record with Harry's Konigs...

[John Schubert]

COH Record

In my 1967 APBA rulebook, which I don't have next to me, Jack Reed held the 5-mile UIM/national competition record for COH at 75-point-something mph, set at Yelm in 1963 with Sid/Konig. If he had also set a kilo record, it had been broken by that point, Ted May having it as of the end of 1966.

Thanks Smitty. The reason I asked is I set the C & D records in Feb. 1969 at Lakeland, FL. with a 12'3" Sid-Son. The C was 82 & the D almost 84 & they were Jerry Waldman's records that I broke.